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    • Zundfolge
    • Posted February 3, 2011 at 12:09 pm
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    I think she should ATTEMPT suicide several times but fail. And her failures should be due to her leftist perspective (for example as a leftist she’s unable to properly operate a firearm … or she tries to kill herself by running her new Nissan Leaf in the garage, or hang herself with poor quality homemade hemp rope … stuff like that).

    • theyellowbear
    • Posted February 3, 2011 at 12:13 pm
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    I think that she should be allowed to TRY it and fail.
    She can then come back rejuvenated as it could be viewed as a sign that her work here is not done. Just crazy enough to fit here persona…

    • Andrew
    • Posted February 3, 2011 at 12:20 pm
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    “Yes, she can.”

    • griff
    • Posted February 3, 2011 at 12:41 pm
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    Devon hits bottom and decides to kill herself. As one last “Screw-You” to corporate America, she decides to kill herself by eating at McDonald’s every day.

    Eating good tasting food and saving money makes Deven start to feel better, but the cognitive dissonance drives her back into a deep depression.

    Rinse and repeat . . .

    • Stephanie A. Richer
    • Posted February 3, 2011 at 12:46 pm
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    Si, se puede!

    BTW, it has to be done to a soundtrack (something “angst-y”, maybe Depeche Mode’s “Knocking at Death’s Door”, except that mentions religion, so something more secular) and the disposal of the remains has to unique – think Hunter S. Thompson having his ashes shot from a cannon. There is nothing more tragic than a banal suicide – make it count!

    • Steve
    • Posted February 3, 2011 at 12:52 pm
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    Get rid of Diversity Lane’s only man-hating, forever scowling lesbian ??
    No!!… heavens NO-!!!
    Who would you replace her with?… perhaps some militant ‘Code Pink’ funeral director ??
    We need Devon around for the 2012 elections… just too many possible spicy outcomes to not have her in ‘the mix’.

    How about this; we could have Devon make some hilariously ironic suicide attempt, like, on Ronald Reagan’s 100th birthday, throwing herself in front of an on-coming (eco-friendly) electric people mover train — just as there is another California power black-out (due to grid over-loads)… and she is stuck in place, waiting for a delayed rescue crew, who is blocked by a long passing Boy Scout parade… all the while, TV cameras have her on the 6pm live news feed,… twisting and suffering from exposure to those Scouting themes and values, instead of being simultaneously electrocuted and chopped to pieces ~
    Afterwards, Devon could develop a severe eating disorder,… ordering & eating endless Shari’s Berries, ordered through Rush Limbaugh’s webpage, and ballooning into a black, moo-moo wearing couch potato… watching Joel Osteen re-runs all week long~ (imagine the look on Alex Lane’s face?)

    Eventually, something could re-charge her militant inner self… and her born-lesbo-again health kick could be a whole series that even exasperates the ever-stoned Sierra…
    Who knows?

    • Jason
    • Posted February 3, 2011 at 1:04 pm
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    Heck no, we have to put up with what she has created, so should she.

    • cobainfan69
    • Posted February 3, 2011 at 1:29 pm
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    Have her ATTEMPT suicide, but fail. She awakens in the Emergency Room after having her near-death experience, and begins explaining about how she met God (or “Gaia” as She called Herself). She was told how it was not her time to go, as she still had much work to do on Earth, fighting the good fight defending oppressed Muslims, spreading the good word of homosexuality, and ending Global Warming.

    The experience also has a rather profound effect on Devon, as she goes to Diversity and apologizes for her arrogant behavior towards her. While she doesn’t fully support her ideals, Devon promises to be nicer and more supportive of whatever path she chooses in life (after all, she might become ‘experimental’ in her college years!). She even takes Diversity out for a milkshake! (Well, a ‘Partially-Gelatinated-Non-Dairy-Gum-Based-Beverage’, but it’s a start.)

    A few days later, a call from the doctor calls that Diversity answers. He explains that there was rather abnormal brain activity during her short coma after being admitted, and her blood tests shortly before being released showed trace amounts of LSD in her system. Diversity discovers that in Devon’s bathroom, right next to her sleeping pills, are Sierra’s “Special, Organic, Mother Earth” brand sleeping pills she tried to sell when she went to a Phish concert for New Year’s. Diversity decides that it’s best to tell Devon the truth about her ‘visit with God’…eventually.

    • John
    • Posted February 3, 2011 at 1:45 pm
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    Yes, by all means; however, I think that it ought to be something in the vein of “Timmy” on South Park. You’ll present a scene of her putting the noose around her neck, or swallowing poison, or walking out into a busy highway with a blindfold–but she keeps coming back again for more. That way, you can use your vast imagination as to how many ways she can carry it out.

    • Ian
    • Posted February 3, 2011 at 1:47 pm
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    Nah, Devon’s ‘down fo’ da’ struggle’ just like previous generations of American born leftists. Sure, she’s miserable! Everyone’s supposed to be! It’s just tough when your one of the FEW miserable people in the whole country. Her life goal is to enlighten us all and make us join her! Bumping herself off would be like surrendering to George W. Bush!

    • MB
    • Posted February 3, 2011 at 1:50 pm
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    I agree: she should attempt to attempt it–and fail. It’s only a showy statement, isn’t it?

    I am reminded of a similarly splashy faked suicide in “Gigi”:
    “Liane d’Exelmans has commited suicide… again”.
    “How did she do it?”
    “The usual way, insufficient poison.”

    Devon is the sort we love to hate. We cannot do without her. Villains need to be tried and true, too!

    • Carlos Davila
    • Posted February 3, 2011 at 1:52 pm
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    Devon should not be allowed to commit suicide. That decision belongs to the Death Panels created by ObamaCare.

    • RP
    • Posted February 3, 2011 at 1:52 pm
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    Devon decides to end it all and throws herself into the path of an oncoming bus, only to be snatched back at the last second by Bristol Palin, who is on her way to speak at a function promoting abstinence only education. Her life saved, but dazed and bruised, Devon is taken to a nearby Catholic hospital, where she must remain overnight for observation and is placed in a room with no remote control and the TV tuned to FOX News. Desperate to drown out the truth emanating from the TV, she grabs for the only reading material within reach, a copy of The National Review. Devon decides she wasn’t saved after all, but has died and gone to Hell.

    • Danielg
    • Posted February 3, 2011 at 1:57 pm
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    She should hold out hope that Obama gets a second term. If the neocons sweep the next elections, she should move to amsterdam, become a junkie, and get offed by a Muslim militant for looking like a lesbian.

    • Siegmund Wagneryann
    • Posted February 3, 2011 at 2:13 pm
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    Devon, a poem

    Goodbye, cruel world, farewell,
    Could be her oft-spoke knell,
    With angry tear, she’d cried.
    She could slit her throat,
    But just enough to gloat
    And say she really tried.
    Leap from a window to the ground
    Being sure a haystack’s found
    To show she hadn’t lied.
    Grab electric wires quite hot,
    For the attention that it got,
    But not get really fried.
    Swallow poison in some way,
    That one might save her and thereby say
    “A failed suicide.”
    Despondent is as despondent does,
    As liberals moan their weary buzz,
    To rue elections’ tide.
    It’s sure, poor dear, she’ll try again,
    For comes the time — we all know when —
    Progessives deeper slide.
    Goodbye, cruel world, farewell,
    Again’ll be her oft-said knell,
    And whining, Leftist pride.

    • RosalindJ
    • Posted February 3, 2011 at 2:20 pm
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    I like the creativity by some of the posters, but I think no.

    It’s kind of antithetical to the underpinnings of the site. If you were to offer attempts, it would be a fine balancing act, and I’m sure you could pull it off.

    • Jamie
    • Posted February 3, 2011 at 2:22 pm
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    I think she should attempt suicide by having the family gathered for a ritual chopadickoffme… Naturally, since she doesn’t actually have the required equipment, the attempt will fail. But since in her world, the attempt is more important than an actual result, all will be well…

    • joeclark77
    • Posted February 3, 2011 at 2:38 pm
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    I’d rather you didn’t.
    How about letting Devon have an epiphany, be saved and born again a Christian, read Ayn Rand and turn libertarian, or otherwise transform into an entirely new character?

  1. She should make failed attempts but after each failure she should gain an insight to life that slowly turns her conservative.

    • Jacob Hulker
    • Posted February 3, 2011 at 2:50 pm
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    If Devon has made up her mind to do it it is her “CHOICE”. She should have the “FREEDOM” to commit suicide if she wants. Then she will be despondent knowing she has the freedom to make a choice about something. Devon will not be used to this idea that she must make up her own mind about something. She will fall into a deep depression with this new-found freedom. She will stop eating and sleep most of her day away. She cant turn to her friends for support because they will shun her for her accidental revelation about choice. Not sure of a direction to take, she will wonder into the “DIVERSE” part of town to get help from the undocumented Americans residing there. Unable to communicate with her fellow “CITIZENS” she will pander to them about how much she cares about them and they must never acclimate to the culture of this country and then wander back to her neighborhood. However tragically, she does not make it back to her home. A group of “DIVERSE” “CITIZENS” in this neighborhood will surround her and demand she share her wealth with them. She will refuse their offer by saying it is stealing to take something that belongs to her. The “DIVERSE” group will take no heed and demand she redistribute her wealth one final time or else they will result to CHE GUEVERA tactics. Devon’s final refusal will earn her a bullet from a gun and they will redistribute her wealth anyway. So ends Devon.

    • SgtZim
    • Posted February 3, 2011 at 2:51 pm
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    Sure, go for it. But first, have her give birth to her own clone, so it can be raised by a decent adoptive family. Show a parallel life that she could have had if she hadn’t chosen evil in the previous one?

    • Persecutor
    • Posted February 3, 2011 at 3:04 pm
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    Nope. She needs to suffer and the best way to do that is to keep her having to live with Obamacare and the rest of his garbage overturned by Congress.

    • Manny
    • Posted February 3, 2011 at 3:11 pm
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    There are just no words for how loathsome this is.

    • cobainfan69
    • Posted February 3, 2011 at 3:29 pm
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    Actually, how about Devon just fakes her death, so she can sneak off to join the shadow advisory team in the Obama administration. Just like the guy that played Kutner on “House”.

    • Stevil
    • Posted February 3, 2011 at 3:31 pm
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    Perhaps she could instead do as Alec Baldwin did after G. W. Bush was elected and leave the…

    Well, on second thought….

    • Posted February 3, 2011 at 3:35 pm
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    Yes. Devon should drown herself in the tears of her November 2 lamentations.

    • Matt Levonian
    • Posted February 3, 2011 at 3:50 pm
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    She should wring her hands about it, stew over it, see the with angst thinking about it and then…in absolutely classic, progressive “shift the responsibility to others” mode, she finds a way to get someone else to do it TO her, thus eliminating a hard decision for her AND supporting her view that the world is a hateful place, esp. towards HER!

    I cannot take full credit for this idea. There is a movie “They Shoot Horses, Don’t They?”. In it, Jane Fonda goes downhill the whole movie, and in the end decided to kill herself…BUT TALKS HER BOYFRIEND INTO PULLING THE TRIGGER, avoiding a tough decision and ruining his life as well.

    Typical liberal thinking!

    • "gunner"
    • Posted February 3, 2011 at 4:14 pm
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    she makes the attempt, but fails miserably, humiliated, she gives up and is forced to live on in endless anger and hopelessness as conservatives continue to retake society, restoring constitutional goverment and values, and all her old comrades grow up and turn to the light. becoming conservatives and limited government enthusiasts, forever gifting her with ayn rand’s books at christmas and birthdays. watching in horror as “the won” is dragged, kicking and screaming, from the white house after herman cain, a black conservative, is elected president in 2012 and begins the work of restoring america and bringing real equality and harmony to the nation. she finally dies, an embittered, angry old woman, alone in a charity nursing home, of old age, nursing all of her ancient grudges to the end.

    • Steve
    • Posted February 3, 2011 at 5:35 pm
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    I love the nooses – as bullets.
    It seems there was spare rope Alex did not use, from last Nov.’s election night.

    For our ‘libs’ who find my firearms knowledge “creepy”, here’s a better one,… true account.
    As an 8-yr old, I taught myself how to tie a Ketch’s knot… otherwise known as a (?)
    Oh no-!… time for ‘rope control’ laws!

  2. I think she should be eaten alive by that monster child with the matchstick legs.

    • Super Tex
    • Posted February 3, 2011 at 6:35 pm
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    I say let her live and suffer. Suicide is a coward’s way out and is way to easy than having to face up to the inadequacies of her fearless leader.

  3. @ Noneof Yourbiz:

    “Manchild sociopath”

    No. Don’t use “sociopath” lightly. Its official medical definition be damned—-I prefer to reserve it for those who murder other human beings in cold blood without a shred of remorse. (Sure, a psychologist with fifty degrees would tell me it’s much more specific than that, but it’s my completely ignorant, uneducated opinion that there are a lot of undiagnosed sociopaths out there. Tragically, many of them are packing illegally-acquired heat.)

    “Manchild”—No good, either. I think that word is usually associated with people who are totally dysfunctional as adults.

    You’re quite correct about seeing the world in black and white, however. I just wish that there was something blacker than black and whiter than white, because sometimes even super-high contrast lenses aren’t enough to quite capture the essence of a worldview. =)

    The idea of a character offing him/herself to be “free” from the grip of their creator—-that’s kind of intriguing, actually. A story begging to be written….

  4. Yeesh. I hear you, Manny. Ugliness galore.

    • Stevo
    • Posted February 3, 2011 at 6:57 pm
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    Sure, but have her drink herself to death over the next twenty to thirty years. Give her the time to really wallow in her misery, after all, ennui is her only pleasure in life.

    • Mike Bliss
    • Posted February 3, 2011 at 7:02 pm
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    She has to decide to stay alive “for the children” who “obviously don’t get the importance of the protest movement of the 60’s”.

    She now will work as a “Civil organizer” (for a 6 figure wage since her value in teaching the youth how to riot isn’t free! Of course it is paid for from a Soros backed shadow org which is tax exempt and funded primarily with taxpayer money).

    • Lev
    • Posted February 3, 2011 at 7:19 pm
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    She should try and fail – get hurt, end up in the Hospital and end up being treated by Obamacare.

  5. No, if she has not taken her own life yet, she won’t now. You could have her try to kill herself with pills and instead OD on Sierra’s special stash… while in Canada…

  6. Not at all. Liberals live to be miserable.

  7. For all her flaws, Devon is consistent in her ideology. As a firm believer in feminist rights, she’s been trying to contact her estranged biological mother since 1980 so that she can ask Mom to retroactively abort her.

    • Manny
    • Posted February 3, 2011 at 9:34 pm
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    “Yeesh. I hear you, Manny. Ugliness galore.” And then they turn around and say with a straight face “No, I would never ever consider harming people who disagree with me politically.” This is just sad.

  8. Most people who say that are sincere, as they would never in fact harm anyone or support violent repression.
    It’s just that they willfully blind themselves to the sheer ugliness of what they’re saying, and how it has had a cumulative effect on the entire landscape.

    That, of course, excludes the people who are indeed self-aware enough to understand EXACTLY what they’re saying, find it hilarious to talk casually of violence, and are either unmoved or appreciative when violence does occur. Such people are thugs, plain and simple.

  9. Pssssssst. Manny, it’s a freaking CARTOON.

  10. SondraK: Isn’t Manny fun? I just know he’s putting us on; no-one could be as drop-dead serious about a silly/morbid kartoon koncept and not be kidding. Right?? I mean it would be like watching the Three Stooges and stone-facedly saying “This is so violent! These people are HURTING each other!”

    • Siegmund Wagneryann
    • Posted February 4, 2011 at 1:20 am
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    Little Manny’s all upset
    It’s not Clarence to be lynched;
    Lefties raged just yesterday
    And so my view is cinched.

    A cartoon death is horrid, dark,
    Especially a Leftist fiction;
    But proposing to hang a jurist? Ah,
    The Left shows its addiction.

    Manny’s little problem is
    That confusion reigns Supreme,
    Until supremely Leftist folks gain
    The socialists’ Supreme dream.

    Little Manny’s Devon’s Angst
    Is all together laughable;
    Faux-sympathy for cartoon folks
    Is simply not so affable.

    Manny, Manny, quite contrary,
    How does your garden live?
    When “choice” is death for millions,
    Your sympathy’s a sieve.

  11. To be fair Devon isnt really a Character in any meaningful sense more a strawman so I wouldnt feel any compulsion about killing her off, it’s an act of mercy if anything.

    • Nona
    • Posted February 4, 2011 at 5:56 am
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    I like Devon; I’d miss her if she was gone.

    I think she should have a near-death experience which opens her eyes to what a bad ‘aunt’ she’s being to Diversity, so she decides they need to spend a lot more time together, much to Diversity’s disgust. They could go to a gay bar together, wouldn’t that be fun? Or a modern art exhibit.

    Either that or she dies and they have a lovely Humanist funeral, with a Pagan blessing just to be sure…she’s laid to rest in an eco-friendly cardboard coffin, the responisbly sourced flower wreaths hand-made by orphaned people of color are put on her grave and everyone says their goodbyes…and as they walk away, the ground shakes and her hand shoots up from it like a zombie. Because you can’t kill the Left, it’ll always come back, like the monster from a horror movie.

    • Mumblix Grumph
    • Posted February 4, 2011 at 6:14 am
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    Absolutely! Think of all the carbon that would save. Plus, she can atone for the sin of childbirth.

    • Mike B.
    • Posted February 4, 2011 at 7:00 am
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    She should see a doctor and ask the best way to do it. He says a gun. She says she has one. He tells her to place the barrell under her left breats and pull the trigger. She blows her toe off

  12. Sigmund: THIS IS BRILLIANT!! Relevant epic poetry is back, with a vengeance.

  13. Zack- What a brilliant way to get people talking and thinking!

    I don’t think Devon would want to commit suicide just to be gone, I think she’d want to make sure that Everyone Got The Message about what drove her to this awful state of mind.

    She therefore commits a “virtual” suicide of the Liberal Devon and becomes (or comically tries to become) a new, Conservative Devon – dressed in frilly dresses, attending church (she could ease into it, visiting the congregation of Jeremiah Wright), waving the flag, and watching Fox News while smiling.

    Her goal in becoming this parody of a Conservative is to theatrically show everyone just how awful Conservatives are. But of course, it wouldn’t work. People would probably not only fail to get the message, but would like her BETTER.

    And eventually a turning point would come (perhaps the healing hand of Barack Obama?) and the liberal Devon-we-love-to-hate would return. Because she’s much too fun to lose.

    • Manny
    • Posted February 4, 2011 at 10:09 am
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    Don’t you dare compare your work to the Three Stooges Zack. What you’re proposing IS extremely morbid, and in bad taste. Suicide is one of those things you don’t joke about.

    “Siegmund”, please kindly fornicate yourself with a hay bale.

    • Manny
    • Posted February 4, 2011 at 10:12 am
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    Please, tell me where I personally have called for the death of anyone, real or fictional, before you call me contrary “Siegmund.” Sondra and Zack both, please tell me how it’s acceptable to joke about suicide. Please find a friend of yours who had a close friend who committed suicide, and then joke with them about it and report back how it goes before you judge me.

    • Yodan
    • Posted February 4, 2011 at 10:46 am
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    Wow. This could be milked for a long time.

    Possible Scenarios:

    1) Being a principled (snort) liberal, she wants to do it in an environmentally/socially/economically/justice-y responsible manner. Given that the Left is chaotic and illogical she will consult with the family and will propose various methods only to be blasted time and time as each proposed method does not conform with some idiotic Leftist tenant.

    2) The family will be all for it (freedom of choice you know) but will have screaming matches about who is the most moral in the family and therefore the most worthy to help her kill herself.

    3)She will come up with many elaborate plans to off herself but will continuously be distracted by the emotion of the moment/chain jerk put out by the MSM.

    4) Her stated desire will spark a inter-family screaming argument about the best method to use. She will become disgusted with that and will go to the beach, get a sunburn, blame it on global warming, apply for a governmental grant to confirm her ironclad evidence (peeling sunburn) that the earth is indeed warming. Then she gets the grant and a job working for that Dr. Johnson at NASA. She tells him about her self-death plan and He tells her don’t worry about it as we will all be dead within a few years anyway. She will then come home beaming and happy as a clam anticipating our imminent, well deserved and certain doom. The family will be shocked and walk around on eggshells as this is the first time they have seen her happy and their fear is she will start liking things and that could lead to conservatism. They then hatch a plan to piss her off about something so that she goes back to being mean, sullen, nasty and suicidally depressed again because “We’re Liberals you know, so we know what is best for you Dear”.

    This could go on for years.

    • Mark Comstock
    • Posted February 4, 2011 at 10:53 am
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    She should fail by attempting to gas herself with an electric vehicle. And then go to a Progressive hospital that’s already implemented Death panels that offer her help…

    • Siegmund Wagneryann
    • Posted February 4, 2011 at 11:04 am
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    Devon Moves On, dot org

    It becomes right obvious,
    Their hearts become as one
    When Devon and her Manny
    Elope and after shun
    The likes of me and other folk
    Who’d laugh at all their woes,
    Because they tremble at a joke
    While wearing victim clothes.

    • ikabod
    • Posted February 4, 2011 at 11:15 am
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    If this so offends you. Why are you here? I will never tell anyone they shouldnt speak their mind. Yet when it becomse personal, the “how dare yous” come out and “I knew someone who commited suicide and you have no right” soon follow. Yet, I know this has no comparision, NONE whatsoever of a real life suicide with real people and real situations. I have known at least one person who has committed suicide. Sorry, my thoughts on the matter are those that do this are selfish. Perhaps this is the way I dealt with the loss. I dont feel sorry for her. They have ripped apart their families, their friends with an act that solves nothing. This is a cartoon. A G–damn cartoon. How long have you been viewing this website hoping for that one instance that you can throw you intellectual emotional might into a commentary? Well you got it now. We get it Manny, suicide effects all of us in a negative way and your upset that Zack would dare make light of such a tragedy. Got it.

    • Steve
    • Posted February 4, 2011 at 11:17 am
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    Siegmund — you have a most excellent ‘pen’ however, you are running a risk that you are unaware… you are perilously close to taking the ‘baton’ I carry as being “Zack’s sock puppet”.

    Or, perhaps that shall inspire another limerick?

    • cobainfan69
    • Posted February 4, 2011 at 11:19 am
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    Forget it, Manny… It’s China– Er… Diversitytown.

  14. Manny, how about you point out where anyone here called for the suicide of anyone first.

  15. And Manny? Calling for the anal rape of a real live person is sick.

    • Manny
    • Posted February 4, 2011 at 12:04 pm
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    You’re trying to be “funny” in describing how (a strawman “Liberal” character who doesn’t actually exist, yes, I know) someone should commit suicide. That is indefensible, there is no comparison. I’ve seen far worse from the lot of you. Can the fake outrage Sondra.

    @Siegmund – keep trying. You have the rhyming down, now you just need content.

    @ikabod – Remember when Zack used to actually draw comics? How he actually had a decent comic style? Before all these Photoshops he’s been churning out? Why do I stick around? Maybe because I don’t want to remain in an echo chamber where I only listen to people who say things I agree with politically? Maybe I want to see what the other side says and thinks? Y’ever think of it that way?

    We agree though that suicide is a terrible thing and, again, no joking matter. I’m calm, you don’t need to tell me to chill out.

    And I was saying there’s no comparison between his works and that of the Three Stooges. He made the comparison, not me. That’s like saying Justin Bieber and The Beatles are on the same level because they both make music.

    • Jim Rob
    • Posted February 4, 2011 at 12:08 pm
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    Oh man you know what’s hilarious? Gay suicide! I want people to be SO EXCITED for this death, that’ll teach those filthy gays who’s boss!

    Really, with all the gay suicides lately (including one about two weeks ago), you think it’s hilarious to joke about one of your typical ‘ugh disgusting lesbian’ characters? Do you really hate gays that much that you want people to get excited for it?

    • Lance
    • Posted February 4, 2011 at 12:08 pm
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    This is an award-winning comment thread!!!
    Never have I read such an on-purpose, focused, intelligent, creative, humorous, collection of comments.
    Youz guyz are fantastic and I include the half-dozen porch minkee friends too.
    I am blown away & can’t think of anything I could add that you haven’t already thoroughly exploited!

    The reaction I’m having is: What would happen if most of the gang here banded together & daily ‘group responded’ to some insane libtard site & post.
    With an group emailing, a selected site & post could be targeted & ‘bombarded’ quickly & relentlessly! FWIW. (Yeah, I know I’m using naughty words that will drive some whacko whacko!)

    I agree with all the comments about repeated failed suicide attempts, but Diversity’s responses & comments are where the ‘bingos’, ‘punch lines’, ‘zingers’, ‘gotchas’, etc. are!

    • ikabod
    • Posted February 4, 2011 at 12:30 pm
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    Ok, was getting worried that emotions were taking over. Glad your calm.

    I’m just not as offended by hand drawn image with suicidal tendencies….

    “That’s like saying Justin Bieber and The Beatles are on the same level because they both make music.”
    How dare you have Justin Bieber and Beatles in same sentence! Or how dare me have justin bieber in between the same quotation!

    • Lovin' DL
    • Posted February 4, 2011 at 1:00 pm
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    +1 to Lance’s praise. So many clever/hilarious suggestions…

    A couple of posters are clearly experiencing complications from their recent and apparently total humorectomies. Get well soon.
    Jim Rob, one of Life’s Little Lessons out there to be had is that the universe does not revolve around people’s gay-ness. Or black-ness, or left-handed-ness, blood type, or whatever. It’s helpful to expand one’s self-image to include affiliations more substantial than mere sexual preference. Just sayin’.
    Manny, you have achieved being celebrated in verse. A Homeric accomplishment. The tradition is to respond in kind…

    • Jim Rob
    • Posted February 4, 2011 at 1:12 pm
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    Why not have Diversity kill herself then, living with so many horrible people must just destroy her mind, I mean did you see the time when one of those horrible lesbians brought a BLACK guy over?

    Try to move past her child-ness, wouldn’t it be hilarious if she slit her throat with a sharpened spine of The Fountainhead?

    • Manny
    • Posted February 4, 2011 at 1:44 pm
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    You’d do well at Free Republic, Lance. Look up “Freep this poll” on your search engine of choice.

  16. @ Jim Rob:

    Exactly. That undercurrent is there, and it’s that kind of thing that can be the difference between dark-yet-still-funny humor, and something that is little better than bullying.

    @ Lovin’ DL:

    “Jim Rob, one of Life’s Little Lessons out there to be had is that the universe does not revolve around people’s gay-ness.”

    DL, you are absolutely right, and that’s the irony, here. Conservatives—that is, those conservatives who place themselves between gays and full legal rights—are the ones who see that ONE trait about a person, and nothing else. Everything’s about their sexual orientation, no matter its relevance to anything.
    Ideally, gays would be people, not “gay people.” But for many, being a member of a discriminated minority leaves one with no choice but to center their identity (at least publicly/politically) around that discriminated trait. This holds true for race, religion, and all the rest, wherever the discrimination takes place. And how could it plausibly be otherwise?
    This would not be remotely true if there was not discrimination/ostricization/prejudice in the first place, and of course those things are being perpetuated by the very people who prevent the discriminated from being full members of society.

    This is why even though your words are quite correct, you have to realize the irony of them being spoken by a (assumed) political conservative.

    • Jim Rob
    • Posted February 4, 2011 at 2:57 pm
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    Maybe it’s not about her ‘gay-ness’, but let’s read Devon’s lovely character bio. First line:

    “Eternally angry lesbian intellectual & live in girlfriend of Allison”

    Woah two mentions of “GAY, she’s GAY” in one line right at the start!

    Funny enough Allison’s bio has no mention of her lesbianism, but I assume part of her indoctrination of poor youths is the gay agenda, but at least it’s not overtly said. Zach, tell us, what did the mean lesbians do to you as a boy?

    • Steve
    • Posted February 4, 2011 at 3:11 pm
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    There goes Marbles again with his favorite sniveling liberal cause… “gay” people are minorities.
    How about the 1.5% – 3% of the population that suffers from the leading 5 or 10 other mental disorders and maladaptive behaviors?
    Can we give them the sacred “minority” status, too ??
    How about “gay” parking spots ?

    The wimpy-sniveling dishonesty in your values Marbles is – people creating an “…identity” around urges for destructive behavior — IS SICK-!! …it is gutless, it is pathetic.

    Your dear homosexual pets all have the same “rights” I do. However, just as I am, they are subject to consequences of their behavior.
    Honesty in the liberal mindset is the most alien attribute !

    • Siegmund Wagneryann
    • Posted February 4, 2011 at 3:13 pm
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    Tiny wrote, “You have the rhyming down,
    now you just need content.” Oh?
    Tiny little critic, tiny little clown,
    Lefty knickers in a knot! And, woe!
    Whoa now, tiny little grump,
    You’ve yet to prove your mettle.
    Your whine shows nothing much, I see,
    But me? I’m in fine fettle.
    Now come along and play a bit
    To show us that you’re able
    To evidence more hilarity;
    Bring something to the table.
    If you think you’ve content great,
    When others find you don’t,
    Perhaps you’re not the clever sort;
    Lack of humor seems your wont.

  17. That’s like saying Justin Bieber and The Beatles are on the same level because they both make music.

    Yea, or like saying a real live person and a drawing of an imagined one are on the same level………

    Or like calling for a real live person to be anally raped by a bale of hay and………

    • ikabod
    • Posted February 4, 2011 at 3:24 pm
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    “Yea, or like saying a real live person and a drawing of an imagined one are on the same level………” How dare you compare real live person with a drawing! Drawings of the world, UNITE!

    • Siegmund Wagneryann
    • Posted February 4, 2011 at 3:29 pm
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    Ode to Manny-ness

    Manny offered up this nice suggestion,
    “please kindly fornicate yourself with a hay bale.”
    Is this content one should question?
    It seems queer enough, but he’s — hey! — a male.
    I guess that Manny’s quite the manly man
    to suggest such happy things as these,
    While whining as only a Leftist can,
    gnashing and lashing out with sleaze.
    Manny, Manny, yes contrary,
    see, now your garden’s limp.
    Your words seem crass, not at all scary.
    In retorts, you’re quite the wimp.

    • Steve
    • Posted February 4, 2011 at 3:36 pm
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    Ouch-ouch… Ouch!!!
    …LMAO – this is just too good Siegmund,… and poor little Manny has NO sense of humor, either!

    • Cassandra
    • Posted February 4, 2011 at 3:49 pm
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    Oh, guys, really, leave [Manny] alone. Ignoring him is the best revenge.

    • Mr.Peleg
    • Posted February 4, 2011 at 4:00 pm
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    Btw, I think you should keep Devon around too, but I like the idea of the ‘failed attempt’. Not enough arsenic, then recuperating in the hospital for three months under Obamacare. During which time, due to a clerical error, they accidentally give her someone else’s gender re-assignment….wait, she’d probably like that…but you know what I’m saying.

    • Lovin' DL
    • Posted February 4, 2011 at 4:23 pm
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    Marbles, thanks for your civil and thought-out reply. I’d describe myself as a libertarian, as I suspect would many ‘conservatives’ here and elsewhere.

    And as a libertarian, I disagree with your implied assumption about ‘discrimination’. I’m not aware of any remaining areas in which gays do not enjoy the same rights (or rapidly vanishing traces of our former rights) as every other adult citizen, and a level of legal acceptance and freedom in our current US society undreamt of in human history. Property rights, free association, freedom of travel, voting, etc. It’s worth bearing in mind that the very notion of ‘gay’ as a concept is a brand-new sociological science experiment being conducted solely in the tolerant West. The last major social experiment along these lines took place amid the decline of Rome; not a happy ending there. For perspective, within living memory of Boomer adults, homosexuality was both a psychiatric illness and a crime.
    And if global Islam continues to gain power and influence, all bets are off; the Muslim Brotherhood has very different plans for American society than you and I do.
    So while we still have the Western freedom to debate social niceties and pre-Sharia fine points of sensitive feelings, I invite you to consider that in a free society to view someone’s behavior, lifestyle choices, and/or public persona with personal/private DISAPPROVAL (as is everyone’s right) does not come within a country mile of DISCRIMINATION.
    It’s a pampered current liberal-statist folly to lament as victim discrimination one’s lifestyle assertions being viewed askance while daily exercising all the rights of every other citizen as a ‘full member of society’. Behind that mindset of aspiring to the laurel wreath of victimhood, IMHO, lie unexamined the Orwellian assumptions of enforced Groupthink mandating mass embrace of official dogma. Any individual dissent becomes ‘homophobia’, aka Thoughtcrime.

    And in the end the Universe still doesn’t revolve around anyone’s gayness, and in a very few short years the death struggle of civilizations between the West and Islam will make all this seem indescribably quaint.

    Just sayin’. YMMV.

  18. Devon’s ….gay????????????????

    • metro
    • Posted February 4, 2011 at 5:12 pm
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    Manny…dude, you need some anger management counseling dude…seriously, i hope you dont get all jared loughber on anyone.

    please, seek help.

    • metro
    • Posted February 4, 2011 at 5:14 pm
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    and my submission for the contest:

    ‘just do it’

    • "gunner"
    • Posted February 4, 2011 at 5:55 pm
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    having observed a fairly large sample population in the area where i live, “manny” and “jon rob” conform to the common left “liberal” pattern. lacking any visible trace of a sense of humour and ready anger at any sign of independent thinking that does not comform to their notions of whatever is the politically correct groupthink newspeak. (and yes, i’ve read orwell’s “1984” and i suspect both of these “gentlemen” could live quite happily in his “oceana”, enjoying big brother’s daily “two minute hate” on the telly, as they are attempting it here.) i suggest both “gentlemen” just quietly bugger off, else, if they remain here wiser and wittier folk will continue to mock them in both poetry and prose. goodbye, and thanks for the fish.

  19. Siegmund, lay off Manny. It’s enough.

    While clever wordsmith you may be,
    A dead horse beating’s pathetic to see.

    • "gunner"
    • Posted February 4, 2011 at 6:17 pm
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    nota bene: i live in a formerly conservative state in the northeast. about that “large sample population” some years ago we suffered an invasion of scruffy types looking to “return to the land” or something. some of them stayed, shuffling about in their birkenstocks, addicted to granola and other strange foods. they’ve grown older, some, a very few grew wiser. the rest remain as horrinle examples.

    • Manny
    • Posted February 4, 2011 at 6:23 pm
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    Let him continue with his infatuation. I can take it, I’m a big boy. Thanks tho all the same Marbles.

    • Steve
    • Posted February 4, 2011 at 6:27 pm
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    Yooo — Marbles, your poor-poor sympathetic “dead horse” is making some pithy noise.
    Over in ‘Winter Wonderland’, some serious diaper rash is chafing mad~

    • Steve
    • Posted February 4, 2011 at 6:45 pm
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    Hey Gunner — we have a few ‘libs’ who have been here a long time. Yes, Manny, there’s Marbles, Cobainfan69, and a few others.
    No explaining their hovering about… every few weeks, one of them makes some sniping remark about Zack’s work, twangs of ‘offended sensibilities’ eco with wringing sniveling over any offense to one of assorted liberal sacrosanct pillars of orthodoxy.

    Go see Zacks, ‘Takes One to Know One’, for such a sample…
    …Marbles will become your favorite leftist mouthpiece.

  20. @ Lovin’ DL:

    “I’m not aware of any remaining areas in which gays do not enjoy the same rights (or rapidly vanishing traces of our former rights) as every other adult citizen. Property rights, free association, freedom of travel, voting, etc.”

    And how long have those things been true, LDL? Go back forty years. Save for voting, good luck with all that freedom of association, travel, and property.
    It was the ancestors of today’s voices who would be using the exact language and the exact justifications people use today for budging that line in the sand one inch further, toward ending blatent discrimination and legalized persecution.

    “For perspective, within living memory of Boomer adults, homosexuality was both a psychiatric illness and a crime.”


    And that means that they should be perfectly happy to settle for being treated as less than fully equal to the rest of us? That they should be “grateful” for their second-class status just because they are no longer being thrown in jail and studied like freaks by coldblooded headshrinkers?
    Come on. Think about what you’re saying.

    “The last major social experiment along these lines took place amid the decline of Rome; not a happy ending there.”

    If we fall like Rome, it will be because of our proud ignorance, coarsened culture, provinciality, selfishness, broken families, crumbled infrastructure, degraded civic education, fiscal irresponsibility and imperial overreach.

    Not because of a few girls kissing each other.

    “…the Muslim Brotherhood has very different plans for American society than you and I do.”

    Come ON, LDL.

    What’s that, Muslim Brotherhood? You have “plans” for American society? Oooooh, I’m REAL scared! Our U.S. Army surely doesn’t stand a chance against a ragtag bunch of misogynist yokels who can’t wait to off themselves so they can go to heaven and get blown 72 times in just their first five minutes there! HOW will our institutions and solid foundation of independent thought possibly stand a chance against the seductive lure of outlawing alcohol and mandating prayer? We’ll surely lose our vulnerable young people in droves to the appealing prospects of repressed sexuality and oppression of half the human race!

    Okay, jerkass mode off. XD

    Of all the fearmongering narratives the American right has ever engaged in, this “impending Sharia Law” nonsense has got to be the most absurd of them all.

    “I invite you to consider that in a free society to view someone’s behavior, lifestyle choices, and/or public persona with personal/private DISAPPROVAL (as is everyone’s right) does not come within a country mile of DISCRIMINATION.”

    You’re overlooking the fact that most parts of this land not only forbid gays to marry, but also refuse to grant their relationships ANY legitimacy in other venues—hospital visitations, etc. Can you imagine what it must be like to live like that? No, you can’t. And neither can I. For that we are quite fortunate, don’t you think?

    “It’s a pampered current liberal-statist folly to lament as victim discrimination one’s lifestyle assertions being viewed askance…”

    Look at what gets said about gay people. Re-sensitize yourself to it and view it as if for the first time. How would you like to be spoken about like that? By MILLIONS of people in your own country and culture? Millions who had a leg up over you in terms of legal rights? How would you feel if you had to justify the legitimacy of your romantic relationships to leering tormentors who view you as something frightening, even something wicked? How would you be able to stand knowing that those compassionless millions are the very ones who, bizarrely, actually hold the power to determine whether your struggles and your dreams mean anything?

    This stuff matters, LDL. It all adds up.

    “Behind that mindset of aspiring to the laurel wreath of victimhood, IMHO, lie unexamined the Orwellian assumptions of enforced Groupthink mandating mass embrace of official dogma. Any individual dissent becomes ‘homophobia’, aka Thoughtcrime.”

    I’d tell you what I think of politically correct groupthink, but I suspect certain vulgarities are frowned upon here.
    The trouble is, what many who reside in a particular ideological corner interpret as “politically correct groupthink” is really just simple human decency. Painting it otherwise is just a contrarian refusal to be decent to those who are different from them.

    As for REAL politically correct groupthink, the sooner we free ourselves from its grip, the better. That is all.

    And the “homophobia as Thoughtcrime” thing—–honestly. I value civility, LDL, but that tired old trope really does make me sick. Because it’s so blatently dishonest. By pretending that homosexuals are demanding that the rest of us “embrace” their “lifestyle,” contrarians have been able to paint the struggle for tolerance and equality as some kind of militant indocrtination. It’s complete nonsense, but unfortunately it’s a popular narrative all over the world.

    • Lovin' DL
    • Posted February 4, 2011 at 7:49 pm
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    Winston Churchill, himself quoting Mark Twain: ‘If a man is not liberal at twenty, he has no heart. If he is not conservative by forty, he has no head.”

    • Jason Sanborn
    • Posted February 4, 2011 at 8:15 pm
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    two words:

    Post Op

    Think Chaz Bono…

  21. Neither the brilliant Mr. Twain or the cuttingly caustic Mr. Churchill are part of anything being talked about here.

    • Manny
    • Posted February 4, 2011 at 9:05 pm
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    Thank you for that post Marbles. You said it far better than I could.

    And hey, one of you asked or made allusions to it, so I’ll say it forthright. I have a boyfriend, and I would like to marry him someday once the law of the land changes for that to be allowed. How is that, in any way, asking for “special rights” exactly? I know I have the “freedom” to marry a woman, but that’s not what I want to do, not now at the very least.

    Re-read what Marbles posted, then re-read it again, before replying.

  22. Whew! Thank God you popped in, Manny. I was getting a little worried when you weren’t around….yannow…considering……..

    • Jim Rob
    • Posted February 4, 2011 at 11:22 pm
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    Yea I’m a gay man as well and I’d love to know what special rights I want. I mean, in my state I can’t marry my boyfriend, I can’t get power of attorney, I can’t get hospital visiting rights, most adoption agencies very proudly say they’ll put me at the bottom of the list because of who I am, and generally who I am is used as a casual insult for people or to mean ‘lame’.

    How equal am I?

    • Siegmund Wagneryann
    • Posted February 5, 2011 at 1:04 am
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    Marbles garbles many things,
    Which is a right I guess,
    When ones plays the game so studiously
    Of a cultural Marxist’s chess.

    Move the pieces all about,
    And never accept an error,
    But whoop and holler longly
    As if opposing thought’s a terror.

    “Proud ignorance” is what is seen
    Alongside “imperial overreach.”
    I’d say that says really quite a lot
    About Obama’s deeds and speech.

    “Crumbled infrastructure?”
    It’s an inner cities’ mess.
    Most of this has come
    From playing dear old Lefty chess.

    “Degraded education” — gasp —
    That’s the nice SEIU and NEA.
    Their hopes and dreams become reality
    In the Lefty’ changed USA.

    “Fiscal irresponsibility,”
    Now there’s a laugher, sure,
    To tell the shape and scope of it,
    From the debtor’s point-of-view.

    So who wants more fiscal mess
    And much more debt to pile on?
    Why, the Left like Marbles’ garbles,
    Whose answers smile wan.

    A debt ceiling which changes
    Is no debt ceiling at all,
    As for Rome and all its legions,
    They couldn’t stop their fall.

    My favorite though is this:
    “Broken families” are Left subsidized,
    As with such subsidies, they grow
    Because with such help they’ve multiplied.

    Good — nay Great — Society
    With its caring, bossy tsars
    Has brought the nation to this time
    When growing ills are its avatars.

    “Struggle” is the watchword
    As issues run in herds,
    And confusion reigns supreme
    When one garbles all the words.

    “Old tired tropes” make her sick?
    What of the Lefty’s chess?
    Marx and Gramsci, and all their kin,
    Are both old and tired, I stress.

    But up they rise, again and again,
    Because that’s the old, troping game.
    The Left has made so much a mess,
    They want others to shoulder blame.

    Social justice cries aloud
    Because it squeezes bucks
    From those afraid to answer it
    And its Lefty jive and shuck.

    • Steve
    • Posted February 5, 2011 at 1:32 am
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    Jim Rod-
    First, how about you get a copy of your state and the Federal constitutions, and read item by item, through them… then get back to us where it says ‘for heterosexuals only.’

    You have the same rights to marriage with a woman as I do – and in my state, I have no right to marry a same sex partner.
    So far, that is equal. The fact that your desires (for complicated reasons) have steered you elsewhere, does not constitute others violating your “rights”.
    Perhaps that bothers your feelings – too bad, truth is truth.

    Next, please advise us of how many other behavioral-based groups claiming minority status, we need to accommodate. Your assertions that because of your sexual attractions, you rightly deserve the status of “race, color & creed”, is frankly a dishonest and preposterous claim.

    If you disagree, how about you let us know how soon the bestiality “minority” group will hop out of their closet, and claim minority status too?
    You think that is an absurd comparison? — nope,… anyone who likes copulating with their collie, can use every bit of the rationalizations the homosexual community does.
    Further, after you successfully corrupt the institution of marriage with ‘same-sex’ marriages, there is not one legal argument to prevent polygamist marriages, or incestuous marriages either.

    However, as you tend to be of a secular-humanist value base,… “feelings”, “self affirmation”, “inclusiveness”, “diversity”,… these all rule your world views… the merits be damned.

    • Jim Rob
    • Posted February 5, 2011 at 1:48 am
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    You have the right to marry the person you love, I do not, it’s simple as that.

    As for the slippery slope fallacy, well I have no issue with poly-marriage, as long as everyone consents and is legal who am I to say ‘ew gross’? Incest is not legal in most states, you’re free to fight that if you are passionate but I think inbreeding and such has a bit more of a foothold in rational reasoning for banning then ‘ew gross’ and ‘god said no’ had for making gays illegal.

    Bestiality, animals can’t consent, you can’t have an animal sign a contract, that’s basic law, it won’t change.

    And to preempt it, same reasoning for pedophilia, you legally cannot consent until 18, that’s a basic tenant of law in america.

    Try to imagine it from the other side, imagine loving some one deeply, and seeing oh so many ‘blessed’ marriages fall apart around you and end horribly, but someone read in a book that you’re gross, so you can’t. I will never cheapen or devalue your marriage, in fact even if you and I were next door neighbors, the only way my marriage would ever effect you is that at one point my boyfriend would become my husband. America was founded on equality and justice, but a segment of the population still cannot get either. If the founders knew now what we know (No, it’s not a disease, no, we don’t want your kids, no, we don’t want you to be totally honest), they would be for equality, because they were willing to lay their lives down for that notion.

  23. She should be allowed to off herself only if she does it Hollywood style: Leaving a completely intact mortal remains with no visible damage or blood or grue, hair properly done, limbs arrayed in a provocative, beckoning position — and preferably dressed as Marilyn Monroe was.


    • Siegmund Wagneryann
    • Posted February 5, 2011 at 2:13 am
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    Devon was just about to choose a way
    To finally end it all, come what may.
    That thread’s goes off its bending rails,
    Like a chalkboard scraped by nails.
    A train of thought was chugging on
    But switches thrown made Devon gone.
    Devon has likely failed to die,
    For that euthanasia in the sky
    Eluded her for so many chats,
    That ended up in Lefty spats
    About feelings and inclusiveness
    Calling for Nanny intrusiveness.
    One wonders still what Devon’ll do,
    After the agony, suffering and ballyhoo.
    Does she have “a woman’s right to choose?”
    Then her suicide has legitimate avenues,
    Like Granny’s euthanasia, not a bitter pill,
    For so did Democrats say, in their bill.

    • Cassandra
    • Posted February 5, 2011 at 3:39 am
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    Jane Austen

    • Manny
    • Posted February 5, 2011 at 5:12 am
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    Oh do shut up Siegmund and actually READ what he wrote.

    How is it dishonest Steve? Homosexuality is a legitimate lifestyle. Bestiality and Zoophilia are not, because the partners of those relationships are not consenting adults. (There is no comparison, by the way, and I’m insulted you would make that comparison even.) And polygamy is not a valid legal arrangement due to the laws being written for a two partner relationship. Incest? Fine, I can’t give you an answer for that one, but that’s such a microscopic fraction of a percentage that it doesn’t matter really, who would want to marry their sister/brother really? I wouldn’t.

    Tell us, directly, why you don’t want someone to marry the one man or woman they love, and why exactly it’s seeking a special right to do as such.

    • Manny
    • Posted February 5, 2011 at 6:29 am
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    When I wrote Zoophilia, I had meant to write Pedophilia, that’s what I get for writing a comment after just getting up. But yeah, Jim made the same points I was making, and more.

    • Steve
    • Posted February 5, 2011 at 7:39 am
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    Always enjoy Siegmund’s wonderful work… ( Ooohh no, Mr Bill!… Steve is “backdoor moderating” again-!! )

    Manny… there is just a little too much use & associations you have with the “back door”. Is there something you are hankering to tell us?

    Also Manny — what a wonderfully “legitimate” life style that is-
    Based on the disease, drug abuse, suicide rates,… the actuarial statistics showing how shortened the average homosexual’s life is,… some would more honestly call it a ‘death style’.

    I think Obama should have special “gay” taxes for your tender “minority” crowd… he has a special tax for tanning salons, why not put appropriate extra taxes of the risks of homosexual behavior?
    Why not ??? Risks are risk factors…
    Queen San Fran Nancy (Pelosi) would be just sooo unhappy~

    The diseases, STD’s that are far more rampant within in the male homosexual population reads medical version of dungeons & dragons however, the sad facts are the multi-decade history is true.
    Some wonderful “life style”
    How come AIDS / HIV in America is still (for 30+ years) such a concern in the homosexual community?
    Did you know in the late ’70’s – early ’80’s, that newly seen disease (just among homosexual men, was called GRIDS ?
    ‘gay related immunodeficiency disease ‘? … gee, what a charming “life style”.

    And yes – through IV drug use and bisexuals, it has impinged some in the heterosexual community. However,… in America it hangs over the homosexual community like a plague.

    And about you & Jim Rod’s comment about who you ‘choose to love’ — people misplace “love” for all sorts of poor mental health issues. Oh yeah, mental health issues… that might have some linkage to men wanting to copulate with men,… duh ???
    You owe you existence to a man and woman ‘loving each other’… not two misguided guys dropping the soap in the bath house together… ya think?
    Try bonding with a member of the opposite sex sometime… like nature made us to do -!!

    • Steve
    • Posted February 5, 2011 at 8:28 am
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    Manny —
    Your last question; marriage is between a man and woman, in a pair bond that has the potential to create, to conceive and bring into the world, children.

    Our Judeo-Christians traditions, when properly followed, make for the strongest & most lasting family units, ties, and family tree’s.
    The union between a man and a woman has ALWAYS earned special recognition in all stable civilizations.

    No two same-sex partners cannot do that. They can lobby to change laws so to adopt… that is not about creating new generations.
    Marriage is for a man & woman… go get your codified legal unions, or domestic partner laws passed… those will get you all the legal protections & needs you seek.
    About incest —
    To the degree you consider yourself a decent and conscientious person, consider this;
    Have you ever seen what someone can look like, who is a product of two siblings, or other incestuous pregnancy ?

    I have – and it is such a terribly sad and, and not to be insensitive to the poor soul who is the product, actually down-right hideous.
    This young guy was a walking picture of tragically freakish bodily proportions – he had a huge forehead, big bulging eyes, no eye brows, huge flat nose, tiny little mouth with balloon-size lips, no chin…
    He happened to be an avid reader… had massively thick lenses in his glasses,… but still had to hold his paperback book a couple inches from his face.

    He had a disproportionately long torso, tiny, midget-like arms and legs. Walking from one part of the factory to another was not easy for him.

    Honestly, I will always see a vivid image of this guy the rest of my years.

    A few days before I left for a better job, I was talking to someone, and the subject of this guy came up… and that is where I learned his parents were brother & sister.

    But, what can incest mean to you, it does not seem to disrupt your night life, right?

    There are damn good reasons laws and/or mores’ against incest and homosexual behavior go back before recorded history. Those ‘uptight old timers’ saw & knew the hideous results that could result.
    Your ‘here & now’ happening pop-culture is blissfully ignorant of so much history, both old and recent, of how destructive these “life styles” can be.
    Go find yourself a decent woman~

  24. “Of a cultural Marxist’s chess.”

    [smile] Uh huh.

    “…Alongside ‘imperial overreach.’
    I’d say that says really quite a lot
    About Obama’s deeds and speech.”

    Yep. Our overextendedness just suddenly popped up in January 2009, along with our two miliatary occupations and army bases worldwide.

    “‘Crumbled infrastructure?’
    It’s an inner cities’ mess.
    Most of this has come
    From playing dear old Lefty chess.”

    Inner cities’ mess, eh?
    How very patriotic.

    So the I-35W Mississippi River bridge was in the heart of the slums, was it?

    And if by “lefty chess” you mean “dried-up government revenue caused in part by anti-tax politicians”, then sure, you bet!

    “Degraded education” — gasp –
    That’s the nice SEIU and NEA.

    See “broken families.”

    “Fiscal irresponsibility,”
    Now there’s a laugher, sure”

    Economics 101—-you spend money to generate revenue.
    Common sense 101—-cutting taxes for the top brackets while trying to fund enormously expensive military operations that until recently were off the books: illogical and irresponsible.

    “A debt ceiling which changes
    Is no debt ceiling at all”

    We’ll be sure to meet up at the center of our shantytown after the worldwide economic apocalypse resulting from our default, so that we can further discuss the semantics of what constitutes “debt ceiling”.

    “‘Broken families’ are Left subsidized,
    As with such subsidies, they grow
    Because with such help they’ve multiplied.

    The institution of the family has been undermined by a million and a half things, and one of the many casaulties has been education. Villify the (at times contemptably selfish) NEA all you like, but don’t pretend that even the best teachers in the world are much of a match against the dysfunction and neglect that the kids deal with for the other 18 hours every day.
    And subsidies didn’t create that dysfunction. They keep people alive, that’s pretty much it.
    (And those who abuse the system by deliberately having a million kids are causing more damage than they’re able to appreciate—see “education”.)

    • Steve
    • Posted February 5, 2011 at 9:10 am
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    Marbles —
    Your version of “Economics 101” is right on the ‘Marx’, Karl, that is.
    Sometime, your ‘hammer & sickle’ theories will have to explain how every single time, time after time,…when tax margins were significantly reduced (to include the upper income folks), revenues to the Treasury increased sharply.
    Under Pres. Reagan, revenues nearly doubled.

    For you libs, “Facts are stubborn things…”

    Hey Siegmund-!
    Great job!! — You have them chasing & dissecting your poems now. Like a dog chasing their tails…

    Ya think we should give them a little ‘poetry writing helper’…?
    ‘Roses are red,
    Violets are blue,
    Steve’s trying to ‘backseat moderate’,
    How about you ?

    Manny – I’ll let you have that one~

  25. And where’s all that revenue from the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts now?

    • Manny
    • Posted February 5, 2011 at 9:42 am
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    Good friggin grief. You’re going to pull that GRIDS chestnut out of the closet? (no pun intended.) There’s no sense in wasting my time then. To quote the blind seed Taresius from Oedipus, “You have sight, but are blind to your own corruption!”

    • Steve
    • Posted February 5, 2011 at 9:57 am
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    Marbles —
    Good – I suppose you acknowledge then, that letting people keep THEIR MONEY, leads to improved economic activity, freedom,… more productive people have the liberty to hire people and be more productive…!
    Free market capitalism works every time~

    Where did it go? …easy — go see the Federal spending patterns over the past 6 – 10 years.

  26. When you cut taxes for the poor and lower middle class, they spend it on day to day living. This keeps the engine humming, certainly, but it also does nothing to get them out of their sandpit (which counters the “bootstraps” mythology). And when you cut taxes for the top earners, what overwhelmingly happens is…they keep it. Yes, investment goes on, but a lot of that money returns to their hands and stays right where it is. And that helps no one.

    • Siegmund Wagneryann
    • Posted February 5, 2011 at 10:23 am
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    She says, “Economics 101—-you spend money to generate revenue.”

    Nancy P-Marbles, you’ve said it straight
    From your imagination’s heart.
    In my Econ 101, one must produce at a rate
    To earn one’s revenue, as a start.
    Spending money generates money?
    Such circular thinking’s Marx,
    And illogically rollicking funny,
    Like swimming is with sharks.
    Money and revenue? They’re the same,
    Though words confuse the many,
    So you’re Econ lesson’s to blame,
    Confusing a penny with a penny.

    • Siegmund Wagneryann
    • Posted February 5, 2011 at 10:41 am
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    One reads above, “To quote the blind seed Taresius from Oedipus, ‘You have sight, but are blind to your own corruption!'”

    Blind Tiresias of Thebes lived a while as a gal,
    As sex changes have been around that long, old pal.
    To refer for authority to a Thebian boy-into-girl
    Just sends the discussion into a whole new whirl.
    “Good friggin grief” is neither Dante nor Greek,
    Which makes me wonder if your argument’s weak.
    The problem debating with the folks of the Left
    Is that so often of fact and logic they’re bereft.
    Let’s chuckle that a thread began with a fiction,
    And note the discussion’s become an addiction
    To chatter and natter of all sorts of Gramscian things,
    While poor Devon sits, waiting to see what life brings.

    • Manny
    • Posted February 5, 2011 at 12:45 pm
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    Your point being… What exactly?

    • Siegmund Wagneryann
    • Posted February 5, 2011 at 2:49 pm
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    The point, dear boy, is Devon.
    Does she go to heaven?
    Or live and struggle on a while,
    Drowning in the old bilge and bile?
    Does she get a new lease on life?
    Does she become fiance, then wife?
    Does she run for office high?
    Does she age well, by and by?
    Since you’ve lost the train of thought,
    See what your diversions brought?
    The point, dear boy, is Devon.
    Shall she bear one or seven?
    Or does euthanasia end it all?
    Which is her story’s protocol?

    • Manny
    • Posted February 5, 2011 at 5:46 pm
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    No “dear boy”, your point about Tireasias (which I’ll give you that, I misspelled his name) was…what exactly? The flowery prose bit is getting old, you’re trying to hard. There are other styles of prose besides the AB rhyme scheme.

    And I’ll point it out again then, for you in a different manner. Referring to the GRIDS line just shows that Steve will not change his mind ever, if he’s going to bring that up from the 70s. It’s a wasted effort on mine and anyone elses’ part to attempt to argue with him on this topic if he’s going to pull that out, or refer to Homosexuality as a mental illness. Yes, it WAS considered as such in times past, but not any longer. Why is that y’think? It’s not because of “THE LIEBERAL GAY AGENDA DEMANDING I GET GAY MARRIED,” I can guarantee you that. The “Gay Agenda” is “get up, go to work, get groceries, etc.”

    So, I’ll close with the words of the immortal Groucho Marx. “Go, and never darken my towels again.”

    • Steve
    • Posted February 5, 2011 at 6:12 pm
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    You have some serious estrangements & mental detachments from the intellectual honesty of being able to engage in a debate of idea’s… or the merits of direct, factual arguments.

    That is your existential handicap…
    The same mental handicap seems to exist throughout the “gay”-rights mentality culture…
    The real-world, tangible consequences of the maladaptive and destructive behavior is answered by your flippant, artsy – fartsy answer; “Go, and never darken my towels again.”

    Those must be the towels you ‘twinks’ drop in the bath houses ?

    This subject is -over- … concluded.

    • john
    • Posted February 5, 2011 at 10:08 pm
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    Let her do it and come back as a ghost.
    She can make commentss but no interactions with the real world.

    • Siegmund Wagneryann
    • Posted February 6, 2011 at 12:45 am
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    “There are other styles of prose besides the AB rhyme scheme.”

    Sprung rhythm works for me, as for Hopkins too,
    There are many schemes, so many you’d turn blue
    With critique piled high upon critique, but you
    Show not cleverness, humor, light, for if you do,
    You’d see that dear Groucho was poking fun; who knew?
    Citing lots of clever folks is not proof of your view,
    Not truth, nor fact, nor apt, nor that you have a clue.
    But sure it is, sans AA rhymes, you’ll drop the other shoe.

  27. Just a quick sidenote about a comment from Manny (I believe) regarding the Photoshop bonuses Zack has been posting. I think they’re terrific, and a great way for him to be able to post for us more frequently. As long as the wonderfully hand-drawn art keeps coming, the rest is just gravy.

    • Lovin' DL
    • Posted February 6, 2011 at 12:53 pm
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    +1 to Stilton’s praise in support of the brilliant photoshops that Zack’s been bonus-ing us all with.I too love the hand drawn art, but I appreciate and enjoy the bonus posts as well.

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