In the context of prior & very spirited debates here at DL, on the topic of the ground-zero mosque, it is truly an incredible dynamic to see the sharp dissonance between two cultures – these Islamo-Nazis and the American liberal “gay” & “gay” friendly cultures.
The latter two would be the very first to be either hung or beheaded, by a Sharia legal system, should it come to overtake a Western democracy.
Yet, when folks (typically conservatives) try to speak to the threat of Islamic Sharia fundamentalism, who are right there arm & arm with CAIR ? Why, it’s our lib-lefties, generally much (not all) of the political bandwagon of the lame-stream media and their Democrat cronies,… who will denounce conservatives as “islamo-phobic”, “xenophobic”, “jingoistic”…
Just curious,… what would have been the ‘PC’ term for supporting the use of atom bombs to end WWII with Japan ?
Japa-phobic ?
“these Islamo-Nazis and the American liberal “gay” & “gay” friendly cultures.” Perhaps our cheerful “progrssives” could explain the double standard for us?!
I believe your right Steve. I would go further that the education I was getting towards the beginning of the 1980’s was the dropping was also racist, and unnessasary since the peaceful Japanese where just moments away from surrender…. MOMENTS!
Terribly sorry Marbles – I have the hideously inconvenient memory of arguments made by you and your fellow like-minded libs, about certain issues debated over Zack’s different cartoons.
Now, if it’s not too inconvenient for you, go see who was speaking up for the “right” of the Islamists to build their victory mosque at ground zero… -then-… go see who I was arguing against on the topic of where “gay” rights, marriage, etc, were debated.
Some of the same people… the correlation is right there, in plain sight.
Also recall, I have twice made sarcastic suggestions that our visiting Islamo-Nazi-gay-hugging inclusive libs have a big get together of these two cultures… over in the land where CAIR comes from.
As I have heard through the grapevine, this is “…Steve’s hate speech”, it means that your sub-culture cannot even mentally process what my ‘in your face’,… gentle as a 4×4 up-side your head, point is… and the extreme idiocy of the groups you wrap your arms around.
Or, maybe you think remembering past arguments is, …”unfair” ?
Marbles: Steve Mentioned the dropping of atomic bombs on Japan thus ending WW2. “what would have been the ‘PC’ term for supporting the use of atom bombs to end WWII with Japan ?” I answered him, with what my experience was during the 1980’s relating to PC education. Why do I have to explain this to you? Your smarter than this.
And you’re smarter than THAT. It’s not cut and dried, Ikabod.
Historians continue to debate whether Japan was about to surrender. There’s evidence for both arguments. Regardless, no one in good conscience can regard the atomic bombings as a pat, simple either/or. And reducing the whole thing to strawman arguments over “racism” is silly in today’s context. (Though not, truthfully, in yesterday’s, as we are after all talking about a nation that used race as a basis for detainment during the war. And then, on the other side, there was the grotesque racism that was the justification for mass murder, torture and rape—all in the name of “liberation from the West”, of course).
Read Keiji Nakazawa’s 1972-74 epic “Barefoot Gen”—a combination of fictionalized autobiography and piercingly focused righteous anger, it’s perhaps one of the most devastating anti-war works ever put to paper. Importantly, Nakazawa–a Hiroshima survivor–indicts everyone. “I vowed that I would never forgive the Japanese miltarists who started the war, nor the Americans who had so casually dropped the bomb on us.”
Hiroshima & Nagasaki… it only requires 3 cents worth of common sense to weigh the overbearing facts;
– Japanese resistance grew fanatically more severe as US forces closed in closer to mainland Japan (all of which is exceedingly well documented).
– The causalities for invading mainland Japan were expected to be well over 1 million… over 400,000 purple hearts were ordered by the War Department for this invasion,… and they are still being issued today.
– The number of killed & injured from the two atomic bombings were a fraction of what a full mainland invasion would have caused the Japanese civilian population.
– Japan had its own a-bomb research… -and- they damn well would have used their operational a-bomb on us (and yes, they had a proven means to deliver it).
– Japan was guilty of the most torturous and ghastly serial & mass killings documented in modern war. Sure, Hitler’s holocaust got the lion’s share of attention – what the Japanese were doing to Allied prisoners (dissecting some of them while they were still alive, burning them to death with kerosene) and to civilians in occupied Asia was unspeakably hideous.
Where normal sober thinking takes place, THAT alone calls for a moral imperative to hasten the war’s end.
– Many in Japan’s high command initially thought the atom bombing of Hiroshima was just another form of fire bombing, which had been steadily used on all of Japan’s major cities (yes, that is why Tokyo was not considered a prime target for the Enola Gay… it was already burned flat.) Whatever really slowed their ability to reply fast enough,… toooo damn bad!
– Japan started the war,.. we damn well had every moral & ethical right to end it upon terms we wanted… period!
I am sorry we did not have two or three more a-bombs to drop-!!!
…however, this topic does give the university Birkenstock leftist banshee’s lots of ‘blame the US’ lecture material to their attentive, young skulls full of mush, students.
You forgot how there was almost a coup against the Divine Emperor to prevent his surrender speech from being broadcast to the Japanese people.
I would also like to point out that modern Japan–the only country to be nuked–generates a large portion of their electrical energy via nuclear reactors, with zero greenhouse gas emissions, to boot!
@geeknerd-
Actually, I have listened to historians discuss that coup attempt.
I have been ‘into’ the subject of WWII from when I was a little kid… and candidly, given the full scope of what I have learned, seen from countless interviews of servicemen, etc… if that attempted coup against the Japanese Emperor actually did delay a surrender attempt before Nagasaki was a-bombed,… so what ??
How can that bring fault upon our decision to drop a second a-bomb ?
…there was no ‘CNN’ or other means for the US Command to have had any way of knowing what would have been happening under that emperors roof.
Yes – they have more electric grid common sense than we do. Thanks to the enviro-weenies scare tactics, our nuclear power industry is another causality of non-sense environmentalists.
Heated debate over World War Two?
But Obama bombing Muslims isn’t in view.
Indignation so righteous aimed at the past,
While ignoring the current Afghanicide blast.
Indicting the past is clever, Leftists say,
In order to have it each and every way
That they stand for things and also against,
In order to further be more truly incensed.
No one’s good and no one’s right,
Except Leftists who gin up for the fight
Which happily looks at opposing views
As if repugnant to their loosening screws.
A small, strange truth of Nagasaki today,
Which is all the more true as I’ve been there, and say
The city’s rebuilt, reborn, and refreshed
While Detroit grows ever more deeply depressed.
Knickers all twisted in tight little knots
Over warfare, destruction and similar blots?
Leftists and Mulsims make war every day;
The Obama administration has escalated the play.
But who dropped the bombs on Detroit City?
Among obvious rhymes, I’ll go for one witty.
Liberals have strangled life and enterprise
But run from such truths to peddle their lies.
After a big boy’s boom-bombing blast,
It was decades of work, but now Nagasaki’s passed
Detroit’s prosperity which felt never a bomb,
But was eaten away by the Leftists’ aplomb.
Take and take and take yet some more,
Then borrow and borrow without keeping score.
For the moment another nuclear blast
Awaits an Obama budget that it’s already surpassed.
Clever the Left, how with some things they get upset
But with others they dither and think we’ll forget.
Was it horrid to suffer the horrors of war?
Sure, but what’s coming will prove what warfare is for.
Petitions supporting a Brotherhood so cruel
Morph into rage against history as fuel
To change the topic, the focus, the point
With themselves as the judges they Leftly appoint.
World wars gone by are over and done,
While the Left has been up to continuing fun
Like busting the budgets and racking up debt,
Pretending their “wisdom” is never a threat.
Back to bright Burqa-ly and its indignant folk:
They themselves have become their own joke.
This is why the discussion drifted off,
Because what’s funny is funny, as some of us scoff.
One needs no rhyme to post this truth from Associated Press via KTVU Channel 2:
“The Berkeley City Council was set to consider a resolution Tuesday night that would offer refuge to released Guantanamo Bay detainees. Cynthia Papermaster, a Berkeley resident who heads Berkeley No More Guantanamos, first proposed the resolution to the Berkeley Peace and Justice Commission late last year. “The U.S. government-under President Bush and President Obama– cleared the majority of Guantanamo prisoners for release, but many cannot safely return to their home countries because of the risk of persecution, torture or death,” she said. “Berkeley is a compassionate and caring community….
The only conclusion one may draw here is that Diversity Lane had it right all along, but that Burqa-ly is attempting to be so funny as to put humorists out of work.
I’m totally in agreement with you. The point about the attempt to prevent the Emperor’s speech from being broadcast is that there were Japanese who would rather fight until every Japanese man, woman, and child was killed rather than surrender. Compare and contrast Japanese militarism of the 40’s with Islamofascist jihadism today.
Marbles: “And then, on the other side, there was the grotesque racism that was the justification for mass murder, torture and rape—all in the name of “liberation from the West”,” I’m not going to sugar coat that the allies where by any means angels during WW2. To what extent did the Allies commit these atrocities in the name of liberation from the west? Perhaps a little perspective, forget about Nazi atrocities. Or even the Soviets role in “revenge”. A little reflection into the Imperial Japanese state condoned atrocities. The level of which can be summed up with: UNIT 731.
What does this all have to do with the atomic bombing? 5 to 10 million JAPANESE lived. More than 1 million allied soldiers lived. I will say that the Sacrifice (yes Sacrifice) of Hiroshima (150,000) and Nagasaki (75,000) (hardly accurate I realize) ended the war. That’s all that really matters. Regardless of the bombings either nuclear or fire bombing. The Japanese military Still was intent on fighting. Hence, the concept of unconditional surrender. In order to stop the fighting the imperial Japanese military was to be eliminated or at least forced to realize that further hostilities was useless. Would it have been any better for the allies to have invaded and suffered the massive level of casualties? I can only imagine the same lot now that is arguing the immoral use of the A-Bombs would critical of Truman for not using a weapon that could have prevented the loss of life and ending the war.
In anycase Jamie. The magnatude of atrocities from the Japanese is far and above anything humanity has experenced since the Roman Empire. If I have misrepresented Marbles, I do apologize.
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If that is Berkeley then the Fudge should be dairy-free. 🙂
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Aw shucks, no Valentine’s Day themed comic today?
Brother.
LOL-!! This one is just so “on the mark”, with our leftist sub-culture.
Zack – have the Lane’s new neighbors set up a ‘Smile for Sharia’ booth ?
Ref:
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In the context of prior & very spirited debates here at DL, on the topic of the ground-zero mosque, it is truly an incredible dynamic to see the sharp dissonance between two cultures – these Islamo-Nazis and the American liberal “gay” & “gay” friendly cultures.
The latter two would be the very first to be either hung or beheaded, by a Sharia legal system, should it come to overtake a Western democracy.
Yet, when folks (typically conservatives) try to speak to the threat of Islamic Sharia fundamentalism, who are right there arm & arm with CAIR ? Why, it’s our lib-lefties, generally much (not all) of the political bandwagon of the lame-stream media and their Democrat cronies,… who will denounce conservatives as “islamo-phobic”, “xenophobic”, “jingoistic”…
Just curious,… what would have been the ‘PC’ term for supporting the use of atom bombs to end WWII with Japan ?
Japa-phobic ?
The Muslim Brotherhood could introduce Berkeley residents–especially women–to a new meaning of the word “stoned.”
“these Islamo-Nazis and the American liberal “gay” & “gay” friendly cultures.” Perhaps our cheerful “progrssives” could explain the double standard for us?!
I believe your right Steve. I would go further that the education I was getting towards the beginning of the 1980’s was the dropping was also racist, and unnessasary since the peaceful Japanese where just moments away from surrender…. MOMENTS!
Max: By the time they’re finished with it it’ll be called Burkaley.
This one’s cracking me up – great punchline, and I love Diversity’s nonchalant attitude.
For some reason, the fudge stand in the background also amuses me.:)
Good one, Zack. And those wearing the burkas?–“jihotties.”
Steve, what is it with you and gays? Everything ALWAYS ends up somehow being about gays.
@ ikabod:
“I would go further that the education I was getting towards the beginning of the 1980′s was the dropping was also racist…”
What?
Sign the dotted line
What’s in a name anyway?
Angels fear to tread
Terribly sorry Marbles – I have the hideously inconvenient memory of arguments made by you and your fellow like-minded libs, about certain issues debated over Zack’s different cartoons.
Now, if it’s not too inconvenient for you, go see who was speaking up for the “right” of the Islamists to build their victory mosque at ground zero… -then-… go see who I was arguing against on the topic of where “gay” rights, marriage, etc, were debated.
Some of the same people… the correlation is right there, in plain sight.
Also recall, I have twice made sarcastic suggestions that our visiting Islamo-Nazi-gay-hugging inclusive libs have a big get together of these two cultures… over in the land where CAIR comes from.
As I have heard through the grapevine, this is “…Steve’s hate speech”, it means that your sub-culture cannot even mentally process what my ‘in your face’,… gentle as a 4×4 up-side your head, point is… and the extreme idiocy of the groups you wrap your arms around.
Or, maybe you think remembering past arguments is, …”unfair” ?
Yes, I know what you think your point is, Steve. That’s not the question. The question is why you relate every issue back to gays. Everything.
Frankly, it’s kind of weird.
Marbles: Steve Mentioned the dropping of atomic bombs on Japan thus ending WW2. “what would have been the ‘PC’ term for supporting the use of atom bombs to end WWII with Japan ?” I answered him, with what my experience was during the 1980’s relating to PC education. Why do I have to explain this to you? Your smarter than this.
And you’re smarter than THAT. It’s not cut and dried, Ikabod.
Historians continue to debate whether Japan was about to surrender. There’s evidence for both arguments. Regardless, no one in good conscience can regard the atomic bombings as a pat, simple either/or. And reducing the whole thing to strawman arguments over “racism” is silly in today’s context. (Though not, truthfully, in yesterday’s, as we are after all talking about a nation that used race as a basis for detainment during the war. And then, on the other side, there was the grotesque racism that was the justification for mass murder, torture and rape—all in the name of “liberation from the West”, of course).
Read Keiji Nakazawa’s 1972-74 epic “Barefoot Gen”—a combination of fictionalized autobiography and piercingly focused righteous anger, it’s perhaps one of the most devastating anti-war works ever put to paper. Importantly, Nakazawa–a Hiroshima survivor–indicts everyone. “I vowed that I would never forgive the Japanese miltarists who started the war, nor the Americans who had so casually dropped the bomb on us.”
Hiroshima & Nagasaki… it only requires 3 cents worth of common sense to weigh the overbearing facts;
– Japanese resistance grew fanatically more severe as US forces closed in closer to mainland Japan (all of which is exceedingly well documented).
– The causalities for invading mainland Japan were expected to be well over 1 million… over 400,000 purple hearts were ordered by the War Department for this invasion,… and they are still being issued today.
– The number of killed & injured from the two atomic bombings were a fraction of what a full mainland invasion would have caused the Japanese civilian population.
– Japan had its own a-bomb research… -and- they damn well would have used their operational a-bomb on us (and yes, they had a proven means to deliver it).
– Japan was guilty of the most torturous and ghastly serial & mass killings documented in modern war. Sure, Hitler’s holocaust got the lion’s share of attention – what the Japanese were doing to Allied prisoners (dissecting some of them while they were still alive, burning them to death with kerosene) and to civilians in occupied Asia was unspeakably hideous.
Where normal sober thinking takes place, THAT alone calls for a moral imperative to hasten the war’s end.
– Many in Japan’s high command initially thought the atom bombing of Hiroshima was just another form of fire bombing, which had been steadily used on all of Japan’s major cities (yes, that is why Tokyo was not considered a prime target for the Enola Gay… it was already burned flat.) Whatever really slowed their ability to reply fast enough,… toooo damn bad!
– Japan started the war,.. we damn well had every moral & ethical right to end it upon terms we wanted… period!
I am sorry we did not have two or three more a-bombs to drop-!!!
…however, this topic does give the university Birkenstock leftist banshee’s lots of ‘blame the US’ lecture material to their attentive, young skulls full of mush, students.
Steve,
You forgot how there was almost a coup against the Divine Emperor to prevent his surrender speech from being broadcast to the Japanese people.
I would also like to point out that modern Japan–the only country to be nuked–generates a large portion of their electrical energy via nuclear reactors, with zero greenhouse gas emissions, to boot!
@geeknerd-
Actually, I have listened to historians discuss that coup attempt.
I have been ‘into’ the subject of WWII from when I was a little kid… and candidly, given the full scope of what I have learned, seen from countless interviews of servicemen, etc… if that attempted coup against the Japanese Emperor actually did delay a surrender attempt before Nagasaki was a-bombed,… so what ??
How can that bring fault upon our decision to drop a second a-bomb ?
…there was no ‘CNN’ or other means for the US Command to have had any way of knowing what would have been happening under that emperors roof.
Yes – they have more electric grid common sense than we do. Thanks to the enviro-weenies scare tactics, our nuclear power industry is another causality of non-sense environmentalists.
@Steve:
“Toooooo damn bad! I am sorry we did not have two or three more a-bombs to drop!”
…..why?
I agree with your main point. But why would you say someting like that?
Heated debate over World War Two?
But Obama bombing Muslims isn’t in view.
Indignation so righteous aimed at the past,
While ignoring the current Afghanicide blast.
Indicting the past is clever, Leftists say,
In order to have it each and every way
That they stand for things and also against,
In order to further be more truly incensed.
No one’s good and no one’s right,
Except Leftists who gin up for the fight
Which happily looks at opposing views
As if repugnant to their loosening screws.
A small, strange truth of Nagasaki today,
Which is all the more true as I’ve been there, and say
The city’s rebuilt, reborn, and refreshed
While Detroit grows ever more deeply depressed.
Knickers all twisted in tight little knots
Over warfare, destruction and similar blots?
Leftists and Mulsims make war every day;
The Obama administration has escalated the play.
But who dropped the bombs on Detroit City?
Among obvious rhymes, I’ll go for one witty.
Liberals have strangled life and enterprise
But run from such truths to peddle their lies.
After a big boy’s boom-bombing blast,
It was decades of work, but now Nagasaki’s passed
Detroit’s prosperity which felt never a bomb,
But was eaten away by the Leftists’ aplomb.
Take and take and take yet some more,
Then borrow and borrow without keeping score.
For the moment another nuclear blast
Awaits an Obama budget that it’s already surpassed.
Clever the Left, how with some things they get upset
But with others they dither and think we’ll forget.
Was it horrid to suffer the horrors of war?
Sure, but what’s coming will prove what warfare is for.
Petitions supporting a Brotherhood so cruel
Morph into rage against history as fuel
To change the topic, the focus, the point
With themselves as the judges they Leftly appoint.
World wars gone by are over and done,
While the Left has been up to continuing fun
Like busting the budgets and racking up debt,
Pretending their “wisdom” is never a threat.
Back to bright Burqa-ly and its indignant folk:
They themselves have become their own joke.
This is why the discussion drifted off,
Because what’s funny is funny, as some of us scoff.
One needs no rhyme to post this truth from Associated Press via KTVU Channel 2:
“The Berkeley City Council was set to consider a resolution Tuesday night that would offer refuge to released Guantanamo Bay detainees. Cynthia Papermaster, a Berkeley resident who heads Berkeley No More Guantanamos, first proposed the resolution to the Berkeley Peace and Justice Commission late last year. “The U.S. government-under President Bush and President Obama– cleared the majority of Guantanamo prisoners for release, but many cannot safely return to their home countries because of the risk of persecution, torture or death,” she said. “Berkeley is a compassionate and caring community….
The only conclusion one may draw here is that Diversity Lane had it right all along, but that Burqa-ly is attempting to be so funny as to put humorists out of work.
Steve,
I’m totally in agreement with you. The point about the attempt to prevent the Emperor’s speech from being broadcast is that there were Japanese who would rather fight until every Japanese man, woman, and child was killed rather than surrender. Compare and contrast Japanese militarism of the 40’s with Islamofascist jihadism today.
Marbles: “And then, on the other side, there was the grotesque racism that was the justification for mass murder, torture and rape—all in the name of “liberation from the West”,” I’m not going to sugar coat that the allies where by any means angels during WW2. To what extent did the Allies commit these atrocities in the name of liberation from the west? Perhaps a little perspective, forget about Nazi atrocities. Or even the Soviets role in “revenge”. A little reflection into the Imperial Japanese state condoned atrocities. The level of which can be summed up with: UNIT 731.
What does this all have to do with the atomic bombing? 5 to 10 million JAPANESE lived. More than 1 million allied soldiers lived. I will say that the Sacrifice (yes Sacrifice) of Hiroshima (150,000) and Nagasaki (75,000) (hardly accurate I realize) ended the war. That’s all that really matters. Regardless of the bombings either nuclear or fire bombing. The Japanese military Still was intent on fighting. Hence, the concept of unconditional surrender. In order to stop the fighting the imperial Japanese military was to be eliminated or at least forced to realize that further hostilities was useless. Would it have been any better for the allies to have invaded and suffered the massive level of casualties? I can only imagine the same lot now that is arguing the immoral use of the A-Bombs would critical of Truman for not using a weapon that could have prevented the loss of life and ending the war.
@ikabob: I think that Marbles is referring to Japan when he says “the other side”.
In anycase Jamie. The magnatude of atrocities from the Japanese is far and above anything humanity has experenced since the Roman Empire. If I have misrepresented Marbles, I do apologize.
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