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    • Steve T
    • Posted November 24, 2009 at 8:48 am
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    Such is how the current POTUS was elected-!
    “Facts are stubborn things…”

  1. Good point, Steve. The exact opposite happened from what the paleo-libs expected: rather than tons of white people denying their vote to Obama out of racism, he received innumerable votes based on “first black president” status and the zeal of many to be in on the milestone. Too bad they didn’t check his credentials first. Or his associates and mentor.

    • wootabega
    • Posted November 24, 2009 at 9:15 am
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    Haha, yes! Liberals are the REAL racists! How dare that damn liberal media always try to demonize our use of free speech as racism. Now if you’ll excuse me, I need to go attend a tea party rally with my “What ‘chu talkin’ bout Obongo?” sign.

    • Steve T
    • Posted November 24, 2009 at 9:32 am
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    Wootabega-
    Based on your past declarations,
    how are your white-supremacist and cross-burning, Neo-Nazi rallies ?

    Hitler is your ‘love icon’, right-?

    Your contributions here are so very interesting…

    • ikabod
    • Posted November 24, 2009 at 9:35 am
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    Wootabega-

    Please, be little more honest here. Liberals base EVERYTHING on race.

  2. Sack: Thousands of subscribers and readers give me feedback (often via personal email) to the effect that they find my stuff pretty amusing; they run the gamut from blue-collar workers to professionals in all fields and including some extremely well-known opinion-makers and thinkers. What a shame that all have been duped till now, and what a relief that we finally have you to set everyone straight!

  3. wootabega: It is exactly as Ikabod says: your whole ideology is based on maintaining race/gender/class tension; just ask respected Democratic presidential candidate and fraud-perpetrator Al Sharpton, or respected Democratic Race-Baiter Jesse Jackson.

    • Steve T
    • Posted November 24, 2009 at 10:12 am
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    Chris E.
    Prove it-

    • ikabod
    • Posted November 24, 2009 at 10:23 am
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    Sack-
    Not as if the constant neo-lib meme that conservatives are all racist, hasn’t been thrown around this site.

    But I’m sure your down with the struggle of the African American. Will jump at the chance at voting in a person of color. I bet some of your best friends are black. Is that enough neo-lib reverse racism “meme’s” for ya?

    I know, I know. How dare we accuse neo-libs of racism! You guys are the owners of compassion! The Ayatollah of kindness! A goddamn monopoly on multicultural, non-judgmental understanding and love for you fellow person….. Bravo, let me know how thats working for the Black/latino kid in south central LA going to horrible schools. While being AGAINST school vouchers.

    Notice-
    Nothing against public school teachers. I have known quite a number of exceptional teachers that enrich the minds of kids of all backgrounds.

    • ikabod
    • Posted November 24, 2009 at 10:26 am
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    “fraud-perpetrator Al Sharpton, or respected Democratic Race-Baiter Jesse Jackson.”

    Otherwise known as RACISM INC. Their business card even reads:
    GOT RACISM?

  4. Zack,
    Not only do I ‘wrap my mind around’ your humor, I enjoy it to the point of laughing out loud. Politics, social differences and life in general were meant to be enjoyed with good humor. In fact, I enjoy your cartoons so much I wanted to feature a few on my blog (giving full credit of course). I wanted to ask for your thoughts on this matter? Let me know what you think. The site can be found at http://www.the-raw-deal.com. I look forward to hearing from you.

    Nathan R. Jessup
    http://www.the-raw-deal.com

    • Sack
    • Posted November 24, 2009 at 10:59 am
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    Wow, Icky! You sure didn’t address any of the points I made in my comment. Congratulations. I guess you are the one who “sees racism everywhere”, Ick. Good luck with all that race-baiting.

    • ikabod
    • Posted November 24, 2009 at 11:23 am
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    I have read your post, the points you make are the same I have seen on dailykos and democrat underground for years. “We liberals are so damn smart! Lets change the world with our intelligence. Disagree with us, and your a racist, homophobe, facist, anti-woman etc!” I got that. Its the liberals that cannot be critical of themselves. Wanna see critical analysis of the conservative movement? There’s plenty: Ted Rall, Garry Trudeau, Oliphant to name just a few. These are Liberal cartoonist lions of the left!
    I also get the fact that neo-libs look at themselves as not being funny, they are just too important to themselves saving the world and all. We can’t joke around with compassion. Someone is liable to get their feelings hurt.

  5. ikabod:

    Prove it-

    • Steve T
    • Posted November 24, 2009 at 11:51 am
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    ChrisE-

    Your sleazy, evasive liberal subterfuge will be answered;

    Blog Subject: Anita Dunce, comment from wootabega;
    Posted October 24, 2009 at 9:13 pm:

    “I love Hitler, and Hitler loves me.
    He’s not so bad. Hitler just needs someone to believe in him.”

    Posted by wootabega, October 24, 2009 at 9:47 pm

    Steve T [answered]
    Woot-
    Expect this revealing expression to hang with you-
    Your soul and character is putrid and disgusting.

    ChrisE – Do you want to keep defending YOUR Neo-Nazi friend-?

    • wootabega
    • Posted November 24, 2009 at 12:11 pm
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    “wootabega: It is exactly as Ikabod says: your whole ideology is based on maintaining race/gender/class tension; just ask respected Democratic presidential candidate and fraud-perpetrator Al Sharpton, or respected Democratic Race-Baiter Jesse Jackson.”

    All righty then. Please then show me how white people are suddenly the oppressed race in this country because of the this “ideology”, which I’ve never ever stated was mine. I simply love that because I disagree with you, you simply just label me as a liberal.

    • Max
    • Posted November 24, 2009 at 12:12 pm
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    Excellent work, Zack. The same principle, of course, made Obama president. All other things being equal, if he’d been white, Hillary would’ve trounced him in the primary. Reverse racism is racism, nonetheless. And just as American traditionalists, particularly those associated with the agrarian movement, could legitimately be accused of racism, so now liberals stand guilty of exactly the same prejudice.

    • Steve T
    • Posted November 24, 2009 at 12:13 pm
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    ChrisE-

    Get a life…
    Grow up, you little ‘terd-in-the-punch-bowl’-!

    How about you express an ORIGINAL IDEA of your own, for once in your pathetic life-?!?
    I will not bother to go to one of your lazy-ass-punk attachments.

    Go ask your mommy or daddy, or your alternate “four-mommies”… what it means to ‘grow up’.

    Maturity for you will be a challenge – good luck-!

    • Sarah
    • Posted November 24, 2009 at 12:22 pm
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    Wow, Zack, those fictional liberals that you created and you alone maintain complete creative control over sure are racist!

    • wootabega
    • Posted November 24, 2009 at 12:23 pm
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    “Excellent work, Zack. The same principle, of course, made Obama president. All other things being equal, if he’d been white, Hillary would’ve trounced him in the primary.”

    Wouldn’t conservatives just be crying “sexism!” then?

    • Steve T
    • Posted November 24, 2009 at 12:32 pm
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    ChrisE-
    Nothing personal-
    You are a damn shameless liar.

    Have a nice day.

  6. Thanks Max. It’s true: no race or movement has a monopoly on color-blindness, all creeds (including the self-congratulatory left) are more than capable of racism. What else can it be called when, to cite a prominent recent example, a Sotomayor suggests repeatedly that “a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn’t lived that life.” As if a given white male’s life has no intrinsic special features or experiences of it’s own, features and experiences which a given Latina woman HASN’T lived. No– the implication is clear: Latinas’ life experiences are more valuable than white peoples’.

  7. Thanks Nathan, and take ‘er away. It would be an honor to show up at the blog of a U.S. Marine; besides which your site looks to be mighty fine. Only had time to browse briefly so far but will be back soon to read more in depth.

    Thank you for your service to this country.

    • thesecolorsdontrun
    • Posted November 24, 2009 at 1:55 pm
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    I love how this tired joked gets less and less subtle every time Zack recycles it.

    • ikabod
    • Posted November 24, 2009 at 2:01 pm
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    “I love how this tired joked gets less and less subtle every time Zack recycles it.”

    I’ll take the tired jokes over retrying liberal bullshit policy anytime. Laughing is free!

  8. What a great point, Ikabod: at least MY jokes don’t put the country in unprecedented debt!

    • Max
    • Posted November 24, 2009 at 2:32 pm
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    “What a great point, Ikabod: at least MY jokes don’t put the country in unprecedented debt!”
    Good one!
    Nor do your jokes pontificate pompous drivel from a presidential podium, eh Zack?
    Keep up the fight, Zack.

    • Sack
    • Posted November 24, 2009 at 2:35 pm
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    “Disagree with us, and your a racist, homophobe, facist, anti-woman etc!”

    Feel free to show me where I said any of that in my initial post about this comic, “Colorblindsided”. I know reading is hard for you, but you should really try it anyway.

    • Sarah
    • Posted November 24, 2009 at 2:44 pm
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    Hey Zack, are you planning on doing a War on Christmas comic this year? I can’t wait to see your fresh spin on that old conservative Christian victim complex meme.

    • Sarah
    • Posted November 24, 2009 at 2:48 pm
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    I can see it now, Diversity’s family and President Obama burning down a church and having a massive sex orgy in front of a nativity scene while yelling “HAPPY HOLIDAYS DEATH TO CHRISTMAS” over and over. Diversity, and Jesus and Lady Liberty look on while a single tear rolls down their cheeks for the death of the conservative Christian America that we all once loved.

    • Max
    • Posted November 24, 2009 at 2:59 pm
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    Not that liberal groups like the ACLU have ever shown any anti-Christian bias, right?

    • Melek
    • Posted November 24, 2009 at 3:20 pm
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    Zack,

    LOL! :)

    Although Alex may not be consciously aware of it, ultimately the babysitter’s ideology would trump skin color … if she were of the “right” color, but did not share their liberal views … it would be a matter of time before they would become color-blind and dismiss her … ;)

    Happy Thanksgiving! :) Melek

    Blog-trolls’s raison d’etre: To deliberately post derogatory or inflammatory comments in order to bait other users into responding.

    Grant me the serenity to ignore the trolls,the courage to debate with honest opponents,and the wisdom to know the difference.

    ===
    Affirmative action(noun): a policy which attempts to prevent discrimination on the basis of race, sex, or creed by mandating discrimination on the basis of race, sex, and creed.

    • wootabega
    • Posted November 24, 2009 at 3:24 pm
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    “What a great point, Ikabod: at least MY jokes don’t put the country in unprecedented debt!”

    Yeah, the Bush administration already did a pretty good job of that.

    • thesecolorsdontrun
    • Posted November 24, 2009 at 4:01 pm
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    Hey Sarah do you have an invite to that? The mainstream Media’s socialist mailing collective forgot to send one my way?

    • ikabod
    • Posted November 24, 2009 at 4:05 pm
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    “Yeah, the Bush administration already did a pretty good job of that.”

    So now its OK because………….

    “liberals are the real racists” comic. I guess it fits with the theme of constantly regurgitating the same tired talking points over and over again,”

    I’m sorry I wasn’t listening.

    • ikabod
    • Posted November 24, 2009 at 4:09 pm
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    “Diversity, and Jesus and Lady Liberty look on while a single tear rolls down their cheeks for the death of the conservative Christian America that we all once loved.”

    And the left cheered WE WON, WE WON!

    • ikabod
    • Posted November 24, 2009 at 4:46 pm
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    Even better:

    Date Line New York May 5th 2013…

    We the jury find the defendant Khalid Shaikh Mohammed………….. (wait for it) Not guilty of the charges: conspiracy, terrorism…..

    And the left cheered WE WON! WE WON!

    • Sarah
    • Posted November 24, 2009 at 5:05 pm
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    That would fit in pretty well in a DL comic: completely removed from reality.

    • wootabega
    • Posted November 24, 2009 at 5:49 pm
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    “So now its OK because………….”

    I never said that! In fact, I’m pretty largely disappointed with Obama as a whole. Sorry to disappoint you.

    • Big Money
    • Posted November 24, 2009 at 6:56 pm
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    Time to post my link to the only thing that has kept the Republicans in power:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy

    • ChrisG
    • Posted November 24, 2009 at 7:01 pm
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    So what I find really interesting about this entire conversation is that now has piped up with a “But I’M black and conservative”.

    Do any black people actually read this blog? Or anyone that isn’t white?

    • ikabod
    • Posted November 24, 2009 at 7:15 pm
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    Cuz race matters!

    • Steve T
    • Posted November 24, 2009 at 7:28 pm
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    Little ChrisE-
    You falsely presume I ought to regret offering the scum-bucket (you?), who masqueraded as me, posting a racially bigoted comment, an invitation to discuss our disagreements in person.

    So, if your facial or genital piercings are not too infected and bothering you, you can use the MapQuest link for the SAME invitation.
    http://www.mapquest.com/maps?name=American+Legion&city=Marietta&state=GA&address=921+Gresham+Ave+NE&zipcode=30060&country=US&latitude=33.951989&longitude=-84.524263&geocode=ADDRESS&id=3686006

    As our Legion Post donates generously to local law enforcement, we have a certain liberty for solving ‘problems’ on our back lot, very efficiently and quietly.

    Where are you coming from-?
    Fire island, NY-? The bath-house district in San Francisco-? A gAy-CORN office in Chicago-?
    All you have to do is put in your address.

    Please, please – feel free to re-cut & paste THIS, liberally, anytime in the future, here at DL-!!!

    • Newbie
    • Posted November 24, 2009 at 7:46 pm
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    Done, reposted to 4chan. Thanks, Steve.

    • Big Money
    • Posted November 24, 2009 at 8:23 pm
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    Steve T: Maybe after you’re done, you can drag him over to Frey’s Gin and lynch him, just like old times.

    • wootabega
    • Posted November 24, 2009 at 8:36 pm
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    Just signed you up for a subscription of Playgirl, Steve. Hope you enjoy it!

    • Sarah
    • Posted November 24, 2009 at 10:03 pm
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    I love how Steve thinks he’s proving his bravery and manliness by daring someone to come visit him in person, when in reality nobody with an ounce of grey matter would bother driving even five miles to visit some random scrub from a political cartoon’s blog comments section.

    “Heh. Looks like that faggot doesn’t want to fly across the country from San Fagcisco to get his ass beat by me. Who’s the big man now, fag?”

  9. I live in Brooklyn actually, but that’s still a long trip and I’m not going to let some sad little homophobe try to beat me up just because he is too proud to admit he half-remembered the rule about “its” vs. “it’s” and tried to apply it universally.

    • Sack
    • Posted November 24, 2009 at 10:47 pm
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    Don’t forget that apostrophes are part of an evil LIEberal plot to corrupt the youth.

    • ikabod
    • Posted November 25, 2009 at 1:36 am
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    “we can determine conclusively that Steve is a Muslim terrorist.” A Muslim terrorist? You folks are certainly not treating him as such! Where’s the compassion? Where’s the understanding? Who’s reading his Myranda rights? Where’s Lynn Stewart? Steve claim they tortured you!
    Left wing logic, as New York is going to find out, could become very expensive….

    • ikabod
    • Posted November 25, 2009 at 1:38 am
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    “Icky and Steve seem to be melting down.”
    Yeah… You keep thinking that Sack-a-roonie!

    • Sarah
    • Posted November 25, 2009 at 2:15 am
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    Right wing logic: I hate all muslims, therefore all liberals must love all muslims.

    • Sarah
    • Posted November 25, 2009 at 2:18 am
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    Further right wing logic: A liberal is anyone who disagrees with me on anything.

    • ikabod
    • Posted November 25, 2009 at 9:05 am
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    “Right wing logic: I hate all muslims, therefore all liberals must love all muslims.”

    Nope I don’t hate Muslims, only the ones that want to kill us. Big difference.

    “Further right wing logic: A liberal is anyone who disagrees with me on anything.”

    Again nope, I disagree with conservatives all the time. They are sometimes referred to as RINO’s. Liberals are, well liberals. My sister in law is a Castro-Hugo Chavez-Che liberal. Far far left, I love her dearly.
    Nice try though.

    • Art Morga
    • Posted November 25, 2009 at 9:51 am
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    I’ve been saying this since Mid-November of 2008!

  10. Liberals are the real Racists becouse of afirmative action…incedently Black people only voted for Barrak becouse he’s black.

    • Big Money
    • Posted November 25, 2009 at 1:01 pm
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    90% of black voters voted for Al Gore. Is Al Gore black?

    You’re an idiot.

    • Big Money
    • Posted November 25, 2009 at 4:40 pm
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    Poe’s law strikes again.

    • Manuel Calavera
    • Posted November 25, 2009 at 8:39 pm
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    Hey Chris, regarding Stevey. Methinks Draculca was referring to him in that classic line “What is a man? A miserable pile of secrets. But enough talk, have at you!”

    • Heltau
    • Posted November 26, 2009 at 12:58 am
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    Somedays, the human race just needs to burn.
    Have a Merry Thanksgiving everyone.
    Even those humans that need to burn. And, I KNOW who you are.

    • Eugene
    • Posted November 27, 2009 at 7:20 pm
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    • Sack
    • Posted November 27, 2009 at 7:35 pm
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    Look at all those independent thinkers with fresh, new takes that get to the heart of the issue(s).

    • ikabod
    • Posted November 28, 2009 at 4:34 am
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    Nah its better to screw economy in the name of cap and trade.

  11. Well aside from your non-answer you actually stumbled across the truth pretty accuratly: you only believe the science it is politically expediant to believe. That’s pretty much why you all latched onto the anti-global warming platform despite the debatable data.

  12. Emperors clothes indeed it seems…..

    • canopfor
    • Posted November 28, 2009 at 6:22 pm
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    I get the humour and love it,and
    post DL on Hot Air where I commen
    t!

    Being a Liberal Administration that is currently in operation,
    Hopey/Changey has extremely thin
    skin!!

    So,forget about the whinnig Libs
    because if they had the power,th
    is site would be the first one th
    ey would eliminate!:)

    • Manuel Calavera
    • Posted November 28, 2009 at 7:34 pm
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    canopfor, please learn how to construct a better sentence when you leave a comment somewhere. There is no space IN comment, or they, or this. And it’s spelled whining (or whinge), not whinnig.

    • ikabod
    • Posted November 29, 2009 at 12:00 am
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    So you have no problem with disrupting an economy already on unstable ground with so-called green jobs? My “non-answer”? Please, explain to me now the economic factors that will somehow bring about a global slow down of rising temperatures? What the implications of cap and trade will be on the median temperatures for the next 50 years? I can see the experience in Spain, which is what this beloved administration is proposing will NOT produce the economic prosperity the left wants. Again, if the study is out there that shows the dangers with such a policy. Maybe a look at it may be of use.

    http://www.juandemariana.org/pdf/090327-employment-public-aid-renewable.pdf

  13. I stand by my origional statement that is a non-answer. You’ve pretty much admitted that enviroment comes secondary to economic concerns-so your attempts to back it up with science are bullshit. kind of like creationists discussing the immorality of modern times

    In answer to you question, yes I am frankly aware that their are economic reprecusions to attempts to combat global warming. However I see it as a no-win situation since the economy would probably be buggered but agricultural effects of global warming. Not to mention the ecological problems caused by it.

    In short simular dillema to the banks fuck-up it’s simply a choice of what bullet you’re willing to bite. Personally I’d prefer continued investment in cleaner technology but then again our boner for fossil fuels and big-goverment ahem I mean big-buisness to use a differant meaningless buzz word to cover a complex sitiuation ensures this line of study is limited.

    • ikabod
    • Posted November 30, 2009 at 9:23 am
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    Yeah, you absolutely right Thomas the economy does come first. I can imagine your boner for so-called clean fuels or “not-in-my-backyard” wind, solar and what ever environmentally safe power plants you guys continue dream up will continue to provide no where near the power we need to sustain the economy. Yet that is the point isn’t it? Liberals don’t see an economy that needs to be stimulated. The economy can be repaired a lot faster than lowering C02 levels world wide. If you have data that show’s me that somehow these renewable so-called green energies, raising taxes, cap and trade, organic farming, raising taxes, and free health care is going to bring economic prosperity I sure would like to see it. I offer you a peer reviewed study that should be a warning sign, you call it bullshit. You have offered me NOTHING other than repeating your answers, and no economic data backing your statements.

    “Personally I’d prefer continued investment in cleaner technology” Good idea, yet continue to use and explore all of our fossil fuel resources locally until the dream of “free energy” is realized.

    • ikabod
    • Posted November 30, 2009 at 12:29 pm
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    Oh and lets really look at clean energy for a moment. How long will it remain free? I can only imagine the left whipping up some form of taxation for how much “sun” energy is collected and taxing that.

  14. “Yeah, you absolutely right Thomas the economy does come first”

    Well at least we got that straight. Now admit that you don’t really give a shit about the science and then you’ll have the virtue of self honesty on your side.

    “wind, solar and what ever environmentally safe power plants you guys continue dream up will continue to provide no where near the power we need to sustain the economy.”

    At the moment correct, however technology is a marvelous thing. Consider the inferiority of the early gun to longbow for example.

    “Yet that is the point isn’t it?”

    Not really no. You know I really don’t take you very seriously when you jump in these ‘liberals believe this, liberals believe that blah blah blah’ speeches. It’s hardly surprising that I don’t think very much of the right when all they can think about is the motivation being what liberals who don’t exist outside of ann. coulter revenge fantasy’s believe.

    “If you have data that show’s me that somehow these renewable so-called green energies, raising taxes, cap and trade, organic farming, raising taxes, and free health care is going to bring economic prosperity ”

    We’re discussing environmentalism here. Try to pay attention to what’s relevant. The merits and problems of taxing and free (durrrrrr) health are a separate subject. Your desire for a coherent narration on your incoherent idea aside, honestly several of those ideas are in off themselves pretty obviously a good idea in the long term…unless you have an infinite gas line hidden in your toilet?

    “I offer you a peer reviewed study that should be a warning sign, you call it bullshit. You have offered me NOTHING other than repeating your answers, and no economic data backing your statements.”

    Actually I called your Palin article bullshit (and it was) I didn’t even read the other one and I’ll tell you why. Because given a short while I could churn up data and journals stating the exact opposite. Of course considering your extensive data regarding global warming you doubtless knew this…unless of coarse you made up your mind beforehand and simply rummaged about for stuff to prove it?

  15. “Oh and lets really look at clean energy for a moment. How long will it remain free? I can only imagine the left whipping up some form of taxation for how much “sun” energy is collected and taxing that.”

    Well unless you manage to build these things with the power of your mind. Do you even think about your about to say or do you just sort of fade in and out?

    • ikabod
    • Posted November 30, 2009 at 1:45 pm
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    “Now admit that you don’t really give a shit about the science and then you’ll have the virtue of self honesty on your side.”
    I give a shit about people having jobs. I guess with clean energy, free health care jobs come secondary? Or will the magic job fairy produce them in the mean time while we hurry to lower the C02 levels by .XX% over the next 50 years?

    “We’re discussing environmentalism here. Try to pay attention to what’s relevant. The merits and problems of taxing and free (durrrrrr) health are a separate subject.”
    The funds will come from the same bucket my friend. Taxes, and lots of em. We pay that. Somehow the whole thing regarding the financial implication escapes you. I mean it sounds like higher taxes are just the ticket to our new green prosperity.

    “while I could churn up data and journals stating the exact opposite.”

    Please don’t leave me in suspense! Show me the green jobs!
    Wait I’ll help you out:
    http://www.frbatlanta.org/pubs/partners/v19n12009_green_jobs.cfm
    2 million coming right up! Now I know your not claiming that greening up the unemployed job seekers is going to solve our unemployment woes. But I don’t see much of a plan other than, taxing and making government more powerful and more intrusive. I can’t imagine the government payroll getting any larger. Apparently you can.

    “‘liberals believe this, liberals believe that blah blah blah’ speeches”

    Well which one of the follow did you consider good ideas?:
    “enewable so-called green energies” I can agree with you on that. “raising taxes” Not liberal belief?
    “cap and trade” Not Liberal belief?
    “organic farming” Not Liberal belief?
    “free health care” Oh come on!
    “Well unless you manage to build these things with the power of your mind. Do you even think about your about to say or do you just sort of fade in and out?”
    I guess we are going to have to wait for the coming solar power renaissance.

  16. Thanks canopfor, that was a great comment. Yeah, the libs have been thick as mosquitoes in the Everglades these days but only their tedious repetitiousness annoys me; they accuse me of repeating myself, then proceed to level the same charges as ever and same charges as each other, much like an ever-droing hive of uni-minded insects. Kind of amuses me on a sci-fi level, but as said the echo factor is starting to bore. Now and then a thoughtful, non-hysterical leftist writes in and it’s a welcome change.

  17. Heltau– love the name and the out-there sentiment. I don’t know what the hell your politics are but your style is fun.

  18. Sarah: “Right wing logic: I hate all muslims, therefore all liberals must love all muslims.”

    Are you off your meds again?

    • ikabod
    • Posted November 30, 2009 at 3:54 pm
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    Liberals love Muslims, they have too. If they know whats good for them…. Hatred for Christians and Jews is fighting the good fight. Going after the cruelty of Muslims, well that’s just another example of right wing cultural judgmental racism. What they do to their women, even in the United States is just none of our business. Nothing to see here move along. The left, the protector of the little guy, and courageous protector of women!

  19. “I give a shit about people having jobs. ”

    Well yes we went through that already and I provided a rebutta, the rest of your reply is simply saying what you said before in a slightly differant way. Since you have a slightly non-linear/incoherant style of arguement I’ll give you another go at this. In the meantime I’ll pick through anything new you’ve said.

    “The funds will come from the same bucket my friend. Taxes, and lots of em. ”

    Ah so logically anything paid for with taxes results is part of the same tree. By this logic the police and the army are linked with your dislike of global warming policies since they require taxes to pay for them? Or is it simply things you don’t want which count as your bugbear? Incoherant I think
    anyway.

    ““organic farming” Not Liberal belief?”
    Not really no, several conservatives within my own country have espoused simular views. Unless of coarse you want to link enviromental concerns with basic left political thought for me?

    ““raising taxes” Not liberal belief?”

    Not really no, unless the thousands of goverments who have at one time or another raised taxes are ‘liberal’ which certainly puts an interesting spin on the late Roman Dominate

    ““free health care” Oh come on!”

    Well it’s not free healthcare but I digress….Not really, unless you plan on using liberal interchaingable with anybody whose provided healthcare in some form without direct payment ever?

    “Liberals love Muslims, they have too. If they know whats good for them…. Hatred for Christians and Jews is fighting the good fight. Going after the cruelty of Muslims, well that’s just another example of right wing cultural judgmental racism. What they do to their women, even in the United States is just none of our business. Nothing to see here move along. The left, the protector of the little guy, and courageous protector of women!”

    A marvelous mixture of projection, wishful thinking, persecution complex and strawmen: bravo sir.

    • ikabod
    • Posted December 1, 2009 at 2:33 pm
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    “A marvelous mixture of projection, wishful thinking, persecution complex and strawmen: bravo sir.”
    If you can direct me to the nearest link and or documentation of a liberal and organization that have been on the forefront of fighting for womens rights WITHIN or outside the Muslim community please prove me wrong. This is not a “strawman”, if your so proud of being the voice of the oppressed then show me what the left have done. You guys owe them that at least.

    • ikabod
    • Posted December 1, 2009 at 5:20 pm
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    Good job Sack you skills should be commended. Yet you have a long way to go. Violence towards women within the religion of peace is going to require a lot more than a one book. Its a start. Just a start.

    However according the Iranian socialist league the following organizastions have been attacked by said religion of peace:
    - workers, trade unionists, left-wing and socialist activists
    - women and women’s/feminist groups
    - national and religious minorities
    - political oppositionists, including various monarchist, Islamic and liberal groups
    - writers, journalists, artists, intellectuals and students;
    - peasants and tribal groups;
    - homosexuals and others who follow an ‘un-Islamic’ life-style

    http://libcom.org/library/the-trouble-with-islam-andrew-flood

    So its not just women that are attacked but just about every single left wing core value as well. Are you guys just not dealing with this because of the fear of more attacks? Or because of some brotherhood against western imperialism? Again showing me one book is a good start, yet is unfortunate since the last time an anti-Islamic book was published was well over 20 years ago. If this is your idea of “fighting” the good fight against Sharia law and its violence towards women, I have to say your not changing their minds (Neither is bombing the hell out of them either).

    Now I really don’t want to equate Anarchist to the common garden varity liberal but apparently the link to the site I mentioned above does. In anycase this next line is brilliant, if anything says: “Hey your fucking problem, leave us out of it”

    “For opportunistic reasons sections of the western left are happy to build alliances with Islamic fundamentalist groups that are not only essentially uncritical but that discourage others from raising criticisms.”

    “Anarchists in the Middle East and beyond will need to determine for themselves the most effective ways of counteracting the influence of the fundamentalists there”
    Dang where’s the love?

    Dang Thomas I am learning a great deal about liberals! Or was this not what you had in mind?

    • Sack
    • Posted December 1, 2009 at 6:40 pm
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    “require a lot more than a one book. ”

    You asked for one example, and I gave you one. Don’t start this shifting goalposts bullshit, you slimy little turd.

    • Manuel Calavera
    • Posted December 1, 2009 at 9:17 pm
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    Maybe ikabod is Lester? That would explain things. Or Steveykins is Lester..or heaven forbid, Liccar.

    • ikabod
    • Posted December 2, 2009 at 1:15 am
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    “You asked for one example, and I gave you one. Don’t start this shifting goalposts bullshit, you slimy little turd.”

    So this courageous woman then speak’s for all of Islams oppressed women? Good for her.

    “Good job Sack you skills should be commended. Yet you have a long way to go. Violence towards women within the religion of peace is going to require a lot more than a one book. Its a start. Just a start.”

    Apparently Sack you want a fucking medal for showing one example. My “Just a start” isn’t good enough for you? Did I damage your self esteem? My challenge still stands. I also asked for a liberal organization that is leading the fight against Sharia law. I was going to let it go as a good example.

    Then you got all bad-ass!

    Apparently I hit a little hot button. This must be guilt about the non-concern of almost every liberal belief being despised by the the likes of CAIR, Hamas, Hezbollah, and other terrorist front groups. It must really hurt. You need to come to the realization that you guys are NOT doing enough. As long as the threat of perhaps getting the NOW headquarters or ACLU bombed by a whacked out Islamic terrorist, I can see that the women of Islam will only have Manji to fight for them.

  20. :chuckles quietly:

    Well ikabod it’s marvelous the way you keep ignoring section we’re you’ve lost and then systematically switch to something feel you may have a chance with I’d call you spineless and a bad debator but you’d problably try to jump into that subsection. Tell you what I’ll give you a really easy premise to argue against……erm I believe that the Soviet union was awesome which I totally believe. That way you can avoid replying to what comes next.

    In regards to Islam and womens rights, frankly I do not approve of the poor track record in comparison to contempory 20th century ideals (if not always reality). But ultimatly I’m aware that the problem isnt inherantly linked with Islam (if anything Muslims theoglogy is slightly more libaral-oh noes! about women than Christianity’s is pre-modern world) more in relation to poor shitty countries acting like poor shitty countries. For example did you know that the Burqa is actually pre-Muslim?

    Incedently Liberals are aware of this kind of shit but hey the great thing about tolerating other people cultures is that you’re expected to put up with stuff you don’t really like hence the term ‘tolerance’. I don’t see you throwing anti-Hindu hissy fits over domestic violence or the Fundementlist Christians attemopts to turn your country into a theocracy.

    You seem reactive to how you perceive liberals rather than active in your beliefs (like myself). May I ask what media soarces you derive news from?

    • Manuel Calavera
    • Posted December 2, 2009 at 7:30 am
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    Again Sack, I think that title reigns with Stevey. Unless iky is also Stevey.

    • ikabod
    • Posted December 2, 2009 at 10:40 am
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    Sack if your going to continue to lower yourself into this dumb high school name calling fine. You win. The liberals have done more than anyone to challenge and bring about change within the Muslim community.

    Your one bad-ass mother fucker!
    And the imams are shivering in fear now. If answering half the challenge is your idea of %100 then I guess the school system has failed you. This is something your going to have to deal with on your own time. Do you post shit like this because your just angry with me? Is this guilt of some sort for not meeting the challenge somewhere in the past? Did you witness a rape at some point and did nothing to stop it? Your anger at me has done nothing for you cause. Only proven my point that liberals are weak and unable to fight when it comes to defending their most cherished values. I really hope you don’t have to stand up to anything, or that anyone will need to rely on you. Apparently they are only going to get 50%.

    Thomas
    “I don’t see you throwing anti-Hindu hissy fits over domestic violence or the Fundamentalist Christians attempts to turn your country into a theocracy.” Yeah, as a matter of fact I do. I have dealt with kids who have had so-called fundamentalist Christians fathers beat the living hell out of their kids and their wives. In the name of god by the way. They are no better than the Muslim fathers. Yet as you have told me, they get a pass due to “tolerance” To me they are one in the same. Using religion to justify their actions.

    As far as Christians turning the country into theocracy, I hardly see that happening, or even possible. Believe what you want on that one.

    The news organizations by the way I do get my sources from:

    BBC
    MSNBC
    NPR
    CNN
    FOX

    “Not really no, several conservatives within my own country have espoused simular views. Unless of coarse you want to link enviromental concerns with basic left political thought for me?”
    In reality I would love big organic farming to outproduce the so-called corporate farming. Having fewer chemicals on our food is always better. Yet when organic food is 20 to 50% higher in cost then non-organic food where do you think the consumer is going to go?

    “I believe that the Soviet union was awesome which I totally believe.” I would love to hear this one.


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