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On the Epic Leftist Hatred of Palin
Hating Palin’s quite the craze,
Because she is a broad;
Lefty-feminists defend the gals?
We’ve learned they ply a fraud
That says “defense of women”
Is what they’re all about,
As they lash into this female foe,
Each an angry Leftist lout.
Hating Palin’s quite the rage,
Because she speaks her mind,
As Leftist big mouths all shout out,
“Free speech must be confined
To only those anointed
By the Leftists’ thought patrol,
For we are duly appointed
To administer speech control.”
Hating Palin’s a disarmed crusade,
For her hunting with a gun,
Because all those nice Leftists
Find this abhorrent fun,
As they dine on fleshy meat
That’s wrapped in plastic clean.
They think their meat’s not slaughtered,
For that would just be mean.
Hating Palin’s a civil right,
Because she gives the lie
To women not worth dating
Who then do loud decry
She’s simply far too fetching,
And this is not quite right.
There are homely Leftists retching
Before her pretty sight.
Hating Palin’s necessary
For at least a year or two,
Lest she become a candidate
Who’d expose the political view
That Leftists with No Labels
Want to tuck away,
As if they’d hide in closets
Until they gain their sway.
Hating Palin’s easy to do,
When civil Leftists love,
Because it’s just a love tap
Transformed into a shove
Which hopes to topple Sarah
From headlines and from quotes
Which tell of Leftists’ failures
And makes them lose more votes.
Hating Palin’s an activist’s dream.
Silence her, for free speech’s sake!
She stands when they shout her down,
And hate her for civility’s stake
Demanding we sing in harmony
To the Leftists’ jack boot tunes,
Which march in dark formation
With hatred urging on their goons.
Hating Palin’s most sincere,
For Leftists boil with rage
To see their debt-filled visions
Dance upon their stage.
Palin hold no office now,
And this is quite unfair,
For failures by the Democrats
Have quite become their snare.
Silence her and others,
Lest they loud reveal the truth
That old Liberality’s bankrupt
And plans to bill the youth
For all they’ve wasted in their day
Which adds to mammoth debt,
They’d pass on to generations
As a clear and present threat.
Hating Palin’s critical,
Erecting smoke and mirrors,
Because the truth is coming
Which even the Leftist fears.
The Ponzi schemes are wobbling,
The plans are gone awry,
And the best the Left can offer
Is to blame the other guy.
The other guy’s a woman,
This time ’round the voting bloc,
And hating Palin’s all they’ve got
To preach to their Lefty flock.
Look beneath Palin’s skirt:
You find a woman there.
But look beneath the Leftists’ hem,
There’s No Label they can bear.
    — Siegmund Wagneryann


    • cobainfan69
    • Posted February 6, 2011 at 2:01 pm
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    Yes, those Palin haters sure hate Palin because she’s a woman, not because she’s a terrible excuse for a politician (quite something, indeed) or a hypocritical phony that makes MSNBC’s gang of pundits seem genuine by comparison. Nope, they actually hate her because of her gender. That’s gotta be it.

    This is the same woman that preaches how she “won’t be silenced” when she actually had Fox News build her a TV Studio in her house, and has had her own reality show on Discovery channel, and has CNN give up-to-the-minute reports and review of her every single Twitter update.

    This is beyond mere politics now. Sarah Palin is just a straight up celebrity with exposure that puts Oprah to shame.

    • Steve
    • Posted February 6, 2011 at 2:23 pm
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    Most excellent job Siegmund (again!!)

    Liberals have neither the backbone or intellect to debate the merits of her beliefs or political positions… so they often revert to calling her a “hypocrite”.
    Also, Rush is right (again)… the ‘left’ is very scared of her~

    Now Cobainfan, as your character is too far, far above being a gutless, imbecilic coward, I am certain you can concisely itemize for us, what has Sarah Palin said or done, that makes her a hypocrite and a phony ?
    … and please, skip the stupid attachments… try — your OWN words?

    And I love going down ‘memory lane’… at DL~

    Red-hot smokin’ Compassion



    • ikabod
    • Posted February 6, 2011 at 2:33 pm
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    No sorry cobainfan69, liberals hate Palin Not because shes a woman but because her ability to get as far as she because she is a conservative woman. See, liberal women work and suffering was the foundation of Palins success. The damn nerve of her to be conservative. She owes the left plenty! Bottom line, had she aborted Trig, been a left winger, the magnitude of hatred towards her would have been far far less. Please, hate her because she’s a woman? But your right Cobainfan69 i guess she deserves it?

    Oh and google punch sarah palin in the face. Enjoy. Jeesh even Obama doesn’t deserve this crap. Yet this comes from the peace loving, non-violent left. She’s not going to win any elections. So you dont have to pack your bags for 2012.

  1. Rather than revel in the laundry list of imaginary reasons liberals and centrists can’t stand Palin, how about clearly and specifically laying out the traits that make her such a compelling figure to others? Cut to the chase. Tell us what it is that she’s got.

    @ Ikabod:
    There’s that persecution mythology at work again. You guys keep trotting it out time and time again, instead of confronting the actual reasons for the widespread revulsion to people like Palin. No, it MUST be because she’s a conservative woman. Can’t you see how silly that is?

    • cobainfan69
    • Posted February 6, 2011 at 5:11 pm
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    @ikabod: Oh no, there’s a facebook group hating Sarah Palin? Surely this tragedy would never befall people on the left side of–

    [ a laundry list of links is not going to happen… get it?… ~your friendly Moderator ]

    so that brings me to @Steve: Palin has a huge persecution complex and is only encouraged by her defenders. She constantly states how “the left” tries to silence her yet there’s pretty much no form of media, corporate or independent, that she doesn’t have an active audience on.

    She’s written two best-selling books and is constantly on Fox News (a mainstream media channel) and yet acts like she is STRUGGLING to get some message out, when really she is nothing but encouraged to do so.

    She even bashes reality shows in her latest book, and goes on to actually have her own!

    She goes on television to talk about how people condemning her as an accessory to the Tucson shootings are discriminatory and jumping to hateful conclusions to quickly associate one side of the political spectrum to such a tragedy. In the SAME exact interview, she just casually asserts that the shooter was a left-winger!

    All her beliefs and political positions are just a summation of the vague values preached as “true American values” and majorly states her views and opinions based on kneejerk responses with the sole intent of inciting her haters and her followers.

    I don’t really care about her political views, because her whole persona has moved beyond that. She’s simply become a new national celebrity, on the level of people like the Octo-Mom, Jessica Simpson, Flavor Flav, or Pruane2Forever. Palin still acts like some oppressed voice in the world of politics when in essence she has simply become an entertainer, flourishing both because of her fans and her haters.

    No one is actually scared of Sarah Palin. ikabod is right: she’s not going to win any elections. The people who rail against her are just sick of her the way people who rail against Oprah are sick of her.

    • cobainfan69
    • Posted February 6, 2011 at 5:12 pm
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    And just a quick note, I personally would gladly punch Bono in the face in a heartbeat.

    • Steve
    • Posted February 6, 2011 at 5:48 pm
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    Cobain – you never came close to answering that very, very simple question… you have not offered ONE crumb of, so much as circumstantial evidence, that Sarah Palin has demonstrated hypocrisy, or “phony”ness (assuming this means- posturing as something one is not,… to you).

    About the Tuscon shooter — HIS own friends described him as a “left wing pot head”… why cannot Sarah Palin reference that… hmmm?

    You are obviously annoyed at her personality, you likely are 180 degrees opposite all her core values… but you have written not ONE supporting argument, in all you 340+ word rank about what defines her as a “hypocrite”, or “phony”.

    Fine — you don’t like her.
    …And, you have clearly shown is you have ‘Palin derangement syndrome’.

    You libs cannot mentally function in the world of rational thinking where you are called to set aside the subjective from the objective.
    It’s a both fascinating and disturbing mixture of mental turmoil I have watched in your sub-culture for many years… your types are the classic versions of; “…I’ve made up my mind, do not bother me with the facts”.

    • cobainfan69
    • Posted February 6, 2011 at 6:25 pm
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    It’s really just hysterical you seem to consider Sarah Palin a rational thinker when she is so capable of demonstrating belief in two completely different viewpoints in the EXACT SAME SENTENCE.

    I’m sorry that you can’t read, Steve. But I answered your question as to why I don’t like Palin. I’d like to point you to references that back up my opinions, but of course the friendly neighborhood moderator frowns on such behavior.

    “…I’ve made up my mind, do not bother me with the facts” — If there is a better example of the pot calling the kettle black, I haven’t found one.

  2. And I’m still waiting for the only part of this whole thing that matters—-hearing what it is that Palin’s got on the ball.

    You spelled it out very well, cobain—as well as anyone can without delving specifically into the countless ways in which she has demonstrated a weak grasp of issues—-ANY issues.

    Rather than obsessing over why liberals and centrists’ response to Palin-types is a massive eye-rolling, her devotees might ask that question of elder conservative statesmen like George Will—-when they aren’t busy regurgitating the kneejerk response of “the establishment is threatened by her.”

    • ikabod
    • Posted February 6, 2011 at 11:03 pm
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    So if she’s such an bad deal…. Why all the fear? She’s such a damned idiot hypocrite why waste your time?

    Cobainfan69- It was not that long ago that the dailykos founder: “Mission accomplished, Sarah Palin.” Yeah the hatred is out there for her. A hot, conservative women! How dare you! Do I think that such hate is necessary in political discourse? Of course not. Yet, the lefts fascination with violence toward those on the right has a long history. You dont remember the effigies of Reagan and Bush hung at the many of the ant war protests? I do. Yeah I’m sure some right wing a hole does the same at time. Yet your the political wing that spouts peace, love and understanding. Of course you do. You tube is virtual clearing house of peaceful decent:

    More than just Palin here. Violence towards women is a horrible Yet the image of punching Palin in the face is not only cool. See its ok. Its just art! Or a M.I.L.P. or (Mother I’d like to Punch). Yeah, the mean spirited-ness is on both sides. Yet the left wrote the book on it.

    • cobainfan69
    • Posted February 7, 2011 at 12:20 am
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    But seriously now, what exactly are you telling me to stop wasting my time on, ikabod? Having an opinion? I don’t actively go out of my way each day, kneel down in my closet, and perform voodoo rituals on a Sarah Palin doll. I just don’t like her, I’m sorry.

    I never said anything about violent rhetoric, or burning effigies, or any of that. I don’t do that. The subject of this blog posting concerned Sarah Palin, so I expressed my opinion about her. Obviously it’s a negative one, but it’s not like I spend all of my days thinking of new ways for me to express my dislike for her, or think of what stupid commentary she’ll provide on Fox News. If I did, I would probably just drive myself right into the loony bin.

    See, the average person that dislikes something has one key strategy in response to that something: ignoring it. And it’s pretty easy to ignore Sarah Palin. The people that obsess over her every Tea Party rally speech, every Fox News appearance, every Twitter and Facebook update…those are just masochists that fill some empty void of their life by thinking they have purpose in trying to “bring down” Palin, unaware that the results of their obsession will neither sway any of her admirers or keep the attention of anyone that, frankly, actually has something better or more productive to concern themselves with.

    Of course, I am a borderline case of this, since I do actually devote a portion of my free time to commenting on many subjects on this site — I won’t deny that. But the fact is I really could care less about Sarah Palin. I’m just staying on-topic for the subject of this blog post.

    If you’d like to change the subject I’d be more than happy to oblige!

    [ We really admire your initiative however, there is one person who sets the subject at this blog,… Zack Rawsthorne — ~your friendly Moderator ]

    • Tetsuo
    • Posted February 7, 2011 at 4:45 am
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    You know, I bet we could cherrypick Facebook groups and WordPress blogs that express apparent hatred toward Hilary Clinton or Elena Kagan or Michelle Obama with barely a minute of Googling, but you don’t hear us babble about how “The Right hates (x) for her (y)” where y!=politics, or “The Right is afraid of (x)”. [….], I’m so far left that by American standards I’d make Kucinich look like Reagan, but I don’t hate Sarah Palin, I don’t wish her dead, I don’t even want to punch her. I just think she’s an idiot who’s getting way more attention and wields way more influence than her ability or competence warrant.

    • Tetsuo
    • Posted February 7, 2011 at 4:47 am
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    Although I will say there are a bunch of Lefty types who do hate Palin, but rest assured, they represent us as much as the people on the Right who think that Obama is the child of Malcolm X represent the Right.

    • John Rambo
    • Posted February 7, 2011 at 8:42 am
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    Why American men should boycott American women

    I am an American man, and I have decided to boycott American women. In a nutshell, American women are the most likely to cheat on you, to divorce you, to get fat, to steal half of your money in the divorce courts, don’t know how to cook or clean, don’t want to have children, etc. Therefore, what intelligent man would want to get involved with American women?

    American women are generally immature, selfish, extremely arrogant and self-centered, mentally unstable, irresponsible, and highly unchaste. The behavior of most American women is utterly disgusting, to say the least.

    This blog is my attempt to explain why I feel American women are inferior to foreign women (non-American women), and why American men should boycott American women, and date/marry only foreign (non-American) women.


    • Immi
    • Posted February 7, 2011 at 9:06 am
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    Huh. I was enjoying this poem up until it started with the stanza that said liberals hated her because she’s pretty and they are not. If you’re going to try to have an intelligent debate, why put personal attacks like that into it? It makes you look rather silly.

    • 21stCentury
    • Posted February 7, 2011 at 10:13 am
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    I don’t get it, are you saying that people on the left side of the political spectrum are following an inherently wrong set of beliefs? Does that mean the right is the only right side? Isn’t it anti-democratic to have only a right-wing party, though?

    • ikabod
    • Posted February 7, 2011 at 11:15 am
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    No Manny, your continued discussion on topic is fine. Yeah I dont have the power nor the pateince to dictate what goes on around here. I guess I’m amazed that this gal is still such a problem for the left. She wont get elected, her ability to get a reality show is impressive. To me its just amuzing.


    Access to anti-conservative hate is in much more abundant. Is there websites and clothing operations that spew right wing hate? Of course there is. But come on, the internet is vastly more organized and prevelent with left wing to far left websites and blogs thereby by default, as far as the internet is concerned the left is indeed getting their message out there. An outlet like fox news is just one out a several that is predetermined “right leaning”. Perhaps the workers of the world should come up with The peoples news agency. A news organization that would make MSNBC look like foxnews! Where only the socialst, Maoist, and communist report. 24 hours a day. Even come up with a snappy tag line. “The PNA, we report we decide!”

    • ikabod
    • Posted February 7, 2011 at 11:28 am
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    “I don’t get it, are you saying that people on the left side of the political spectrum are following an inherently wrong set of beliefs?” 21stCentury: Do you really feel this way or is this a straw man attempt?
    This sorta reminds me of the meme that conservatives are inherently racist…. much like the same meme that liberals are inherently communist.

    • 21stCentury
    • Posted February 7, 2011 at 1:53 pm
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    Ikabod, I actually sort of feel this way from seeing this blog, to be honest. Maybe you could answer this question…

    What would the Democratic Party of America have to do for you to agree with them? Not “vote for them”, but only agree that their policy is right.

    I don’t think all conservatives are racists or that all liberals are communist, if it makes you feel better. I honestly believe that every political belief has good things and bad things. (To be honest, you bringing that up… Isn’t that a strawman attempt? You’re trying to paint me as someone who would follow that meme when no one really does.)

    • ikabod
    • Posted February 7, 2011 at 3:18 pm
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    What would the Democratic Party of America have to do for you to agree with them:
    Ok I’ll bite:

    Strong military.
    -Stop cutting gen 5 aircraft production.
    Free market economy.
    No Cap and Trade unless China, India and other “emerging” economy play ball.
    More nuclear power plants.
    level 10% income tax rate. No deductions. Unless one or family is at the poverty level.
    Government pays for reeducation for tech jobs. (I am a product of this….however)
    Education funding increased, FOCUS on Math and Science.
    Manhattan style project on alternative energy PLUS continue search for local oil and natual gas supplies within our own nation.
    Massive infrastructure funding and improvment, funding for high tech research and development, restart the manned mission to the moon and mars.
    Welfare limited to timeframe, sorry cant be on the dole for ever.

    • Siegmund Wagneryann
    • Posted February 7, 2011 at 3:47 pm
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    “Believe that every political belief has good things and bad things?”
    The one that confiscates property is a political belief that stings.

    If you’d like to know the source of which I herein write,
    I’ll answer to name the very names I’d herein cite.

    The one that seizes property is a politics some call “good,”
    But I wouldn’t want to own a house in that tough neighborhood.

    Well, not all politics takes property? Most carry of some cash.
    Just how much will you pony up to the vast collective stash?

    My politics? “I’ll leave you well alone if you’d do the same for me;”
    But there are folks whose politcs declares that deepest heresy.

    “Every political belief has good things and bad things?” Moan.
    What’s bad about the politics of “leave me well enough alone?”

    “Every political belief has good things and bad things?” So it seems?
    Yet the phrase itself is just another of those political “memes.”

    • Old and Politically incorrect
    • Posted February 7, 2011 at 6:51 pm
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    Finally, Ikabod nailed it. Just add everyone giving up all the political correctness bull***t as well and maybe we can talk.

    • Tetsuo
    • Posted February 7, 2011 at 9:21 pm
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    “Access to anti-conservative hate is in much more abundant.”
    This and everything that followed – bar the PNA thing, which already exists BTW – is true only given one condition: if you’re looking for it. There are tons and tons of Right Wing blogs and communities, just like there are tons of Left Wing ones. There’s no vast imbalance between the two unless you selectively ignore what doesn’t support your perspective. For every Democratic Underground, there’s a Free Republic. For every Daily Kos, there’s a

    There’s only a political imbalance to the Internet if you’re looking for it.

  3. If Palin is so stupid, then why is she so successful? Stupid people tend to end up on COPS not on FNC. She did after all run a city as mayor for 8 years and then a state for two more. She has a college education and a relatively stable family. She has a special needs child that 90% of the USA would have aborted including Christians (I am sad to say) and did not kick her daughter out of the house when she was pregnant.

    Is she perfect? Nope, not close. But if you think she’s some bubble headed bimbo, you’ll simply continue to ‘misunderestimate’ her. Good luck with that.

    So the next time you decide to make personal attacks against Palin, substitute your favorite female liberal politician’s name and see how it goes.

    Palin Haiku

    Palin’s not to bright
    Gospel from the far left web
    Emotions take over

    • Tetsuo
    • Posted February 7, 2011 at 11:55 pm
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    “If Palin is so stupid, then why is she so successful?”

    You honestly think intelligence is a prerequisite for fame? Have you watched any television in the past 20 years? Or even 20 minutes? It doesn’t take brains to get anywhere in the American celebrity or media landscapes these days, it just takes connections. In a world where a C student can be president, I don’t even understand how you can still hold that belief.

  4. And still so far no one has answered my question about Palin. Vegas Art Guy sort of approached answering it, but stopped short before he could get into what qualities Palin, as an individual, possesses that make her suitable to be a serious commentator at least and a viable candidate for national office at most.
    Once again—what is it? Forget about the preoccupation with people who don’t like her. Forget we exist. What is it that she has?

    • Siegmund Wagneryann
    • Posted February 8, 2011 at 1:29 am
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    What a cheery roundabout
    To mull over this fine day.
    Intelligence is oft found out
    When transcripts can be in play.

    The only politician in this little game
    Who’s hidden all proof of grades
    Is in a White House I could name,
    Defended by two millions’ aides.

    I’d show you mine, each trophy cup.
    We’ll see about these grades
    But if you will not open up
    Perhaps your fusillades

    Are all about a C student
    Who rose to political heights;
    Yours seems far less prudent
    And transparency gives him frights.

    So Palin’s unintelligent,
    Because the One’s so very smart?
    That’s fallacious, dull and blunt,
    She’s shown more from the start.

    A mayor, a governor, what’s more not weak,
    She’s proved more than a little mettle.
    The C student of which you speak?
    He’s the pot attacking a kettle.

  5. Vegas: You said it. I wonder if many of those who come here to chortle over how dumb Palin and other conservatives are could run the state of Alaska– and be voted most popular governor in America during their governorship, as she was?

    Love the return of the haiku– more about that to come.

    • Tetsuo
    • Posted February 8, 2011 at 12:06 pm
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    @Zack: I don’t know that anyone comes here to “chortle over how dumb Palin and other conservatives are.” There are certainly plenty who come here to chortle over how dumb Obama and other liberals are though.

    • Siegmund Wagneryann
    • Posted February 8, 2011 at 2:34 pm
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    Obama’s no dummy, and Palin’s seems quite bright.
    Both were elected to their bright-focused light.

    Dumb is a word, when it doesn’t mean mute,
    That I’d reserve until proof is absolute.

    It’s not that I’d allege the Left is dumb;
    It’s that they’re so often humorless and glum.

    I recall that Bush was compared to a chimp;
    “Bedtime for Bonzo” crowed Reagan a mental shrimp.

    But who’s hiding his transcripts this very day?
    A transparent, open liberal who’s mastered pay to play.

    The debt is fourteen trillion — a number rather large —
    Which grew five of fourteen with the liberals in charge.

    Now is that dumb or smart, I’d to know from you,
    Discussing just the numbers, not Palin or The View?

    It’s smart, not dumb, to loudly point the other way
    When problems are exposed of the budget’s disarray.

    Palin’s plain a target, because she functions well
    To smartly shift the focus from a numbers show-and-tell.

    Red ink is flowing courtesy of the smartest of the Left;
    Is it stupid for conservatives to say it’s intergenerational theft?

    “Dumb and smart” and “smart and dumb,” round a circle playing,
    Draw notice away from corruptions’ games, that’s all I’m saying.

  6. So no one, then.

    • ikabod
    • Posted February 8, 2011 at 6:02 pm
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    Palin was a governor (yes she quit I know..)
    Has a lot things to say that people agree with.
    As governor she went after corruption within the state legislator a number of them are now serving time. Oh at this time she was the darling of the democrats.
    Devised a new system of splitting the Evil oil profits. Now Citizens get a nice profit sharing more than they where getting in the past.
    Cut 85% of the construction pork within the state of Alaska.
    managed to get the largest natural gas pipline construstion project green lighted. Providing jobs…. Incrased the taxes said oil companies paid for drilling.
    Alaska maybe one of the most wealthiest states because of the policies she brought to the governship. Obama wants the US to be reliant on 25% renewables in 2025. Palin went to her legistlator for the state to be 50% renewable by the same time frame. One would think this would be a great deal for liberals… But nah hatred is just so much easier. I know shes a flawed politician. Yet she has a message that a lot of folks can relate too.

  7. And all of that’s fine, Ikabod. Some of that stuff I agree with, some I don’t, but it’s all basically part and parcel of effective, functioning governance. Her niche was clearly as a governor of a relatively small population, concentrating on practical issues.

    But you dance around the key point by bringing up “her message that a lot of folks can relate to” only in passing. “The message” is exactly the rub.

    None of those other things you mentioned in the list are remarkable in and of themselves. Every politician and their grandmother runs on “cleaning up corruption,” for instance. (All the power to her if Alaskans feel she succeeded—we could sure use some of that in my state.)

    But “the message” is what confounds us, and not really because we “disagree” with it. Jon Stewart said it better than anyone I’ve ever heard: “When you peel back the layers of the Palin onion—there’s no onion.” Exactly. There’s nothing THERE. Even George W. Bush, incoherent as he often was, had a recognizable and vivid set of beliefs. But Palin is as ungrabbable as the oil that once defiled the pristine water surfaces of her coastline.

    Here is the centrist/liberal point of view of Palin: Whenever she attempts to speak out about any issue that pertains to national and international affairs, it is clear that she has next to no idea what the heck she is talking about, parroting stale vagueries and recycled talking points that barely skim the surface of an issu,e and never betray any original thought on the matter.
    And when she speaks out about our internal affairs, she again keeps parroting vague generalities that don’t MEAN anything. She is one of those people who can talk endlessly and not actually say a thing. (I have heard left-wing people like this as well.)

    We find it absurd and insulting, just as we did with George W. Bush, that such a provincial, uninformed person with a clear lack of critical thinking skills is presented to us as a viable candidate for national office. We also find it quite a dangerous reality that so many Americans seem to value “authenticity” in a candidate over knowledge and intellectual heft.

    This is why I’ve been asking people here just what it is that Palin says that has people so enraptured. But perhaps a better question is, when Palin repeats one of her generalities, what is it that people hear terms of policy? Of governance?

    • ikabod
    • Posted February 8, 2011 at 7:18 pm
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    Marbles: So therefore we get the “astounding brilliance” of Obama? I like the attempt at down playing her role in Alaskan politics. Yet how was she able to do those things in Alaska? Her emptiness should have been as obvious as a freight train coming to the “boys club” in Alaska politics. Who should have dealt with her easily! She confounds, not because she’s not brilliant but your side has nothing that compares! Hillary comes close to it but damn, she’s hard on the eyes.
    With all the discussions here you can’t argue that the underlying current of this discussion is simple. She’s, conservative…. Shut the f%$k up b&tch!

  8. Marbles,
    The point I was trying to make is that people on the left generally speaking can’t separate people from politics. I may disagree with Sec. of State Clinton, but I know she’s not stupid. The same goes for President Obama etc… People on the left generally speaking don’t do that. If they disagree with someone, they are suddenly less than human, and more often than not it’s totally on purpose. That tends to go double for anyone who is not a white male. So instead of giving Palin her due as a former mayor and governor, she’s a bimbo that people make adult films about.

    I never intended to answer your question, I was merely making an observation. Will she run? Maybe. Will she win? Maybe. If I knew that I’d be a very very wealthy man.

  9. Come on, Ikabod. Don’t put words in my mouth—-or anyone else’s. I’m being completely honest with you here, so level with me in return.

    I didn’t downplay her role in Alaska politics. I’m not sure how you got that from what I wrote.

    “So therefore we get the “astounding brilliance” of Obama?”

    Who’s talking about Obama? He has nothing to do with this.

    “…not because she’s not brilliant but your side has nothing that compares!”

    Nothing that compares to what? What traits are you getting at?

    “With all the discussions here you can’t argue that the underlying current of this discussion is simple. She’s, conservative…. Shut the f%$k up b&tch!”

    Come on. Read what I wrote again. I thought I was making it pretty clear that it isn’t her conservatism (which relative to this climate is rather run-of-the-mill), it’s her lack of any substance. Hell, her conservatism itself feels as shallow any of her convictions about anything.

    As long as I’m trying to parse this stuff to you, I might as well mention Michelle Bachmann, another persona non grata who just happens to be female. With her, it’s two things. Yes, it’s her brand of vindictive, persecutorial conservatism. But it’s also the fact that she says many things that are blatently ignorant. It’s a different kind of ignorance than Palin’s. Basically, Palin seems like the kid who didn’t read the homework chapter last night, and so just keeps saying words that sound good hoping that will satisfy the teacher. Bachmann, on the other hand, seems like the kid who read the wrong book altogether, and stubbornly uses what she read to answer questions that don’t fit it.

  10. @ Vegas:

    What you’re describing isn’t a left versus right thing, it’s a stupid/lazy versus rational/honest thing. Dehumanization and projecting all these random negative traits onto a person because one disagrees with their politics is something that goes on LIKE CRAZY on both sides. (The ultimate example being, in my opinion, the article of faith among some on the right that Michelle Obama is “fat.” Remarkable for the fact that before she came along, everyone in the world agreed what a toned woman looks like. But because she is who who she is, people see “fat.” It’s incredible.)

    With Palin, however, I’m sorry, but she genuinely does come across as having “bimbo-ish” qualities. And keep in mind you’re talking to someone who gave her a chance to show what she was actually like before forming a judgment like that—-LONG after many others had hastily made up their minds.

    I know you weren’t answering my question—I was just pointing out that you were the only person who came anywhere near the territory I was asking about. But so far, still no one has really entered it.

    • Tetsuo
    • Posted February 8, 2011 at 10:46 pm
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    @Vegas: “The point I was trying to make is that people on the left generally speaking can’t separate people from politics. I may disagree with Sec. of State Clinton, but I know she’s not stupid.”

    Marbles already addressed the first part, and I could show you people on the Right (and no small number of them either) who have that problem too. I may think Palin’s a bit of a dim bulb, but that’s independent of my political disagreement with her. I disagree politically (and in many other ways) with Rush Limbaugh too, but he is most certainly no idiot. There are smart people and dumb people on both sides of the aisle, and I can’t understand why it’s so hard for you to acknowledge that someone whose politics you agree with might also be kinda dippy.

    • Siegmund Wagneryann
    • Posted February 9, 2011 at 2:54 am
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    Any President Dippy can be a “dim-lit bulb,”
    As party members drub each other with this very same snub.
    Saying “chimp” at a Bush was a Leftist’s delight,
    But saying it at Obama becomes a racist slight.
    Bachmann is seen as “vindictive, persecutorial,”
    Which of course shows debate turns quickly dictatorial.
    Where has “agree to disagree” gone off in a huff?
    “Having ‘bimbo-ish’ qualities” is such Leftist guff
    For only incorrect “bimbo” women are “ignorant”
    To the righteous Leftist cant of this sort of slant.

    • Tetsuo
    • Posted February 9, 2011 at 4:54 am
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    It’s a shame to see a poet with no grasp of context.

    • Siegmund Wagneryann
    • Posted February 9, 2011 at 8:50 am
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    It’s a shame to find a critic with no context to grasp.
    Next time I be sure to select both a lock and a hasp.

  11. That’s where you and I disagree. You don’t become a mayor (who gets reelected) by being dippy. You don’t become Governor by being dippy.

    • ikabod
    • Posted February 10, 2011 at 1:29 pm
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    Vegas Art Guy: Apparently the folks in Alaska where duped. Voting for this dumb-ass conservative. As a dumb-ass, dim bulb, bimbo, she was able to accomplish quite a bit. However, those things are not really accomplishments. Apparently any half-wit, no substance onionesque, aw shucks, conservative can run a local government or state. We had a halfwit running California (we are 500 Billion in the red partly due to his incompetence) replaced by an actor who was consumed by the California political machine. Well now he’s out and we have gone back to 1978 to revisit the brilliance of moonbeams incompetence.
    Marbles: Despite your desire for conservatives to “admit” Palin is a bimbo idiot does nothing to degrade her stature within the conservative movement. It is what it is. “None of those other things you mentioned in the list are remarkable in and of themselves. Every politician and their grandmother runs on “cleaning up corruption” the assumption is she failed?
    We have been told, both boy’s and girls that one day you can be president. Nothing in the constitution requires you one to be part of a group, religion, or even was once a community organizer. You can be as confounded about Palin’s popularity yet still have no substance. The fact of the matter is she lost. She lost to Obama. Somehow then we are to believe the One has turned out better?
    I would not support Palin in a general election much to the anger of my wife. I don’t believe she is right for the job of POTUS. A gal much like an American version of Margaret Thatcher would be a good start.
    There’s been a lot of talk here of anyone can support Palin. Ok, please enlighten us as to the person you would want there as POTUS? What should they be? What would be the policies you would jump onto?

    • Siegmund Wagneryann
    • Posted February 10, 2011 at 2:20 pm
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    An American Thatcher would be a very fine start;
    Not a Meryl Streep who is acting the part.
    An iron will’d woman to reverse the tide
    Of endemic failure, that liberal democricide
    Of feeling-driven incompetence which cannot add
    And thinks that deficits and debt aren’t bad.
    Austerity is coming, for the numbers declare
    That political spin will not clear this air.
    The case becomes simple when its bottom line
    Suggests that costs of government must soon decline.

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