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    • cobainfan69
    • Posted February 3, 2011 at 10:02 am
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    I think your map on the left is a bit inaccurate, Zack. Not to worry, though, since Fox News is here to help:

  1. I’m actually jewish and even I don’t see the world as various shades of anti-semitism.

    • ikabod
    • Posted February 3, 2011 at 11:43 am
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    The liberal meme right now is just laughable. Its the conservatives that are against the so-called “secular” protests! All the protesters want is free elections and Democracy!
    This is my prediction:

    1. Mubarak steps down or over thrown.
    2. Power vacuum begins.
    3. Muslim Brotherhood establishes a provisional government.
    4. Scraps the Egyptian Israel peace accord.
    5. Establishes Sharia law throughout.
    6. Allows terrorist free safe haven for training, and launching of attacks in Israel.
    7. Muslim Brotherhood continues “provisional” government.

    Secular my ass.

    • Steve
    • Posted February 3, 2011 at 1:57 pm
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    Thomas Roberts – the world is a lot more hostile to Jews than you are aware.
    I suggest/hope you hook-up with your more ‘Orthodox’ Jewish brethren, and get a good reality check of just how extreme the world stage has changed, from the post Holocaust days where everyone agreed, “…never again”.
    Today, the UN tolerates, if not encourages Iranian state heads to proclaim at the UN podium, the destruction of Israel.
    That just happens to be illegal – and grounds for any country to be expelled from the UN.

    Today, various Islamic leaders and groups are openly expressing that Hitler did not do “…a good enough job”.

    Does this get your attention yet, or concern you?

    • pst314
    • Posted February 3, 2011 at 6:28 pm
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    Egypt should be labeled “Zionist sharks are trying to kill us!”

    Or maybe “The Jews baked my little Hasan into their matzoh”

  2. To grossly overgeneralize the situation, it seems that no one in Europe cares about dead Israelis, and no one in America cares about dead Palestinians.

    This dissonance is just one more layer of effed-up on a many-layered effed-up cake.

    Israel has done many horrible things. Conversely, they are surrounded by people who would love to see them dead, many of whom at least passively subscribe to an mindset that revolves around blood-drenched, martyrdom-obsessed rhetoric.

    As brutally as the Israeli Army has mistreated them over the decades, Palestinians should nevertheless be directing a great deal of their ire at their crocodile tear-shedding Arab neighbors, who could have set history on a different path if they had accepted and absorbed the refugees from Palestine in 1948. But no—those nations’ leaders were more interested in stoking the fires of hate. So here we are.


    Where is the evidence to support your prediction? While we’re all nervous about what will replace Mubarek (who HAS to go, let’s not kid ourselves), there is simply no indication that these protests are being driven by Islamists. Yes, clusters of them have been agitating, but they seem to be far outnumbered.
    It’s true that the 1979 Iranian revlolution did not begin as an Islamist revolution, either. That unfortunately crystallized mostly after the Shah fled. The multitudes who had demanded secular reforms were overpowered and repressed.
    So of course no one can say what will happen. But the fearmongering going on is tired and predictably based on very little of substance.

    @ Thomas Roberts:

    I’m half-Jewish (though now atheist), and until recently I was rather unaware of the degree to which anti-Semitism drives many people’s worldview, even right here in America—where I’d naively assumed that in the land of Spielberg blockbusters, Seinfeld ratings juggernauts, and bagels sold at fast food chains in every midwestern state, Jews couldn’t possibly be strangers to anyone anymore.
    That was before (1. YouTube (need I say more?), and (2. I found out there’s only about 6.5 of us in the United States. WOW.

    Still, like you, I don’t see the Middle East in stark black and white terms like that. It’s a dangerous mental trap to fall into, and I refuse to do it.

  3. Meant to say 6.5 million, of course.

  4. A rather vague arguement, having lived in Israel for a few years the situation is a lot more complex than that, the entire page is manechean in it’s implication as is your response. Even if your statement wasnt grossly simplified Zack would be guilty of the same sin as those eviiiiiiiiiiil Muslims.

    I also find your referance to the Holocaust intensly disirespectful.

    • Manny
    • Posted February 4, 2011 at 10:15 am
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    Don’t try to contradict him Thomas, he clearly knows better than you do. He’s a REAL American after all, therefore he is always right, especially those things that the right-wing political machine tell him he’s an expert on. Case in point.

    • ikabod
    • Posted February 4, 2011 at 11:35 am
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    The concept of this being the beginning of a securlist, democraticly elected government when all is done, and Hosni Mubarak leaves is fantasy, as far as I’m concerned. If you can show me the evidence of such an occurence I would like to see it. You bring up Iran. Is this going to play out here? Maybe, but think of the strategic geopolitical advantages of a hostile anti-American and anti-Israeli country in bed with Iran? The bottom line is quite clear, I would say that Iran has more influence over the outcome of Egypts future then the US, or the UN. Obama, or even Bush had this happened on his watch has only the hands off approach dealing with this situation. Yet at the end of the day, its still going to be anti western. Perhaps I’m using the Iranian model as a template for this event. Time will tell Marbles.
    Good think my wife was able to go to Egypt when she did.

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