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    • Steve
    • Posted January 31, 2011 at 4:47 pm
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    Morning (mourning) ipecac syrup~

    • geeknerd
    • Posted January 31, 2011 at 5:40 pm
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    Be careful, Steve, it seems the Right shouldn’t use inflamatory words (but the Left can use them any time).

    • Steve
    • Posted January 31, 2011 at 6:55 pm
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    geeknerd — are you new to realizing this old, double standard -??

    A particular & very wonderful sound that no liberal will ever appreciate is the crisp, locking engagement when the action of one of my M1A’s slams closed, carrying a .308Win, 155gr FMJ cartridge into the chamber… with twenty more awaiting below, for their turn~
    If the 1st Amendment is ever destroyed… it is no coincidence that the 2nd Amendment, so positioned by subject by our Founding Fathers,… follows closely behind… and will ultimately be the deciding factor, by all freedom loving citizens..

    Now… let’s wait for the “offended”, NY-society … puff-ball rebukes…

    • Manny
    • Posted January 31, 2011 at 8:01 pm
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    Still with the Oprah thing Zack? Good grief man.

    That’s the only response I have. I don’t care about the woman in any way, never watched her show and never will.

    @Steve – you can keep your gun fetish to yourself. There might be children reading this blog after all.

  1. Ha ha, take THAT, Oprah! Boy, you sure showed HER, Zack.

    “A particular & very wonderful sound that no liberal will ever appreciate….”

    Tell that to Michael Moore, card-carrying member of the NRA.

    • cobainfan69
    • Posted January 31, 2011 at 11:08 pm
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    Jayson looks like he just came out of an Edvard Munch painting.

    • Mark T.
    • Posted January 31, 2011 at 11:18 pm
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    You got it backwards Steve. They’ll take the 2nd Amendment before they take the 1st.

    • Steve
    • Posted February 1, 2011 at 2:24 am
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    @ Mark…LOL… really?, ya think ?
    If they try, the very busy 3rd shifts & overtime in the factories that print toe-tags will have a lot of outdoor ‘background noise’…

    …And the likes of Manny and his sub-culture will be plunged into a deep depression and feeling of alienation… as the abundance of spent brass all about will leave them with the extremely misguided but inevitable emptiness that they are missing out on the greatest sexual fun-fest known to Western man.
    …he and his fellow psychosexually dysfunctional socialites will no doubt be debating Freudian theories to the symbolism of the shape of spent brass, indented primers and their faint odor of burnt nitro-cellulose residue… they might even swoon if Oprah dedicates an hour long show to the subject.

    Heaven forbid that Manny ever observe how high powered semi-auto weapons eject their spent brass from the right side, sending it tumbling in a leftwards direction, who knows what new theories of NRA designed “fetishes” he will contrive…

    BTW – for those of you who have such material, never let Manny see a video on reloading ammunition… those really titillating parts where they show how to clean the primer pocket, or pre-lube the brass before re-sizing — combined with his peculiar sexual theories could have hideous risks for him while in his intimate ‘alone time’…
    To avoid his risk of getting a terminal priapism, I dare not breach the topics of using a re-sizing die or seating depth of a bullet.

    Hey Zack… now that we know the Lane home faces East, how soon until you will have a cartoon showing Alex, Allison, Devon & Sierra kneeling on their prayer rugs in the front yard, facing Mecca ? (…just an observation)

  2. “SOCIALITES!!!”


    • Steve
    • Posted February 1, 2011 at 7:43 am
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    Manny – Marbles,

    You politics, as best I have read, is the same, and your names roll together like ‘Amos & Andy’.
    How about one of you decide to use your real first name, or the name of your pet?

    Be a team player – take the “Change” advise from your Marxist-messiah ?

    • cobainfan69
    • Posted February 1, 2011 at 9:00 am
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    Hey Steve, did you accidentally mix up parts of your Penthouse submission in a few of your last comments?

    • Manny
    • Posted February 1, 2011 at 9:03 am
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    So Steve, you literally want to shoot everyone who disagrees with you politically. Not figuratively, literally. That’s what I’m getting from your commentary. That and you own and/or fire many many MANY guns, hence, a fetish. The way you’re going into painstaking detail about every little nuance to show…what exactly? That you know guns intimately? Cuz I don’t care at all. It’s creepy dude. And for the record, I earned my Rifle Shooting merit badge in Boy Scouts (Archery too, tried Shotgun Shooting and did awfully.) But I don’t care about every little teeny tiny intimate nuance of your guns. Again, that’s creepy. You’re showing a perverse pleasure there.

    Cute how you throw in a mention about Oprah when none of us care about her. And hey! A “OBAMA IS THEIR MESSIAH!” line too, when we’ve never said that he is, say…”God’s chosen President” unlike a certain former President. Remember, it was YOUR political machine that made that a talking point, not the “Lamestream Media” as I’m sure you have referred to it as at some point in time.

    • ikabod
    • Posted February 1, 2011 at 9:23 am
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    “Tell that to Michael Moore, card-carrying member of the NRA.”
    That would be like Rush Limbaugh being a member of the ACLU! Cant stand the donor…. But love the money. both

    The 3 or 4 times I have watched Oprah (which episode I cant remember, but then again who can?)It was with my wife. Wanting me to “learn” something. What I learned:
    I don’t like the books she selects.
    She needs to decide on a wheight and stay there.
    You cant drink beer and watch Oprah. Its just…….wierd.

    • Manny
    • Posted February 1, 2011 at 9:34 am
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    Back on the actual topic of the comic… shouldn’t you LIKE Oprah Zack? After all, she’s a rich Capitalist who made her money by working hard to amass a media empire. Something that every Conservative seems to idolize, what with their love of big business. She’s an innovator and a job maker!

    • Steve
    • Posted February 1, 2011 at 9:58 am
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    Manny – you were in Scouting?… gee, you sure took a different turn in life, what happened, d u d e… ?
    ” It’s creepy dude.” … to resolve this liberal ‘Amos & Andy’ thing with you and Marbles, will you be noble enough to volunteer and be our ‘Jeff Spicoli’,… the stoner character in, ‘Fast Times at Ridgement High’ ??

    Let me help your wiggly discomfort about firearms a little; there are 85+ million Americans who legally own firearms… the vast majority of which are just as familiar with what I wrote, or know more.
    …and as the US has a population of 310 million now, you figure those proportions.

    What is “…creepy” is the common comfort that folks like you have with your ignorance.

    And you used to be a Boy Scout… a pity,… something happened~

    • Ryan
    • Posted February 1, 2011 at 10:25 am
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    Friends and countrymen- its just a simple joke. It’s logical to joke about such a ridiculous notion as solar adverts after Oprah’s announcement of creating her own network.

    • cobainfan69
    • Posted February 1, 2011 at 10:31 am
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    @Steve: The way I’m reading this, Manny isn’t adverse to firearms, or Americans legally owning firearms. Rather, he is adverse to YOU owning firearms, because the way you seem to painstakingly describe routine maintenance of firearms in sexually suggestive terms, or how you fantasize over a violent uprising to overthrow a possible totalitarian government so that you can put your varied selection of guns to good use.

    He’s not saying guns are creepy — it’s just you, Steve.

    • geeknerd
    • Posted February 1, 2011 at 10:34 am
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    If they get the guns, me and my buddies all know how to use our swords.

    • Manny
    • Posted February 1, 2011 at 10:36 am
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    You keep making references that no one gets. And I never said I had a problem with firearms. Again, I’m saying YOUR minute intimate details about every little part are creepy, you’re fetishizing them. I highly doubt “the vast majority” of legal gun owners know every little tiny nuance of them. Just the hunters, the gun aficionados, and the doomsday crowd (like the people who are just waiting for Obama to outlaw all guns everywhere before he makes himself supreme dictator for life.)

    And yes, I used to be a Boy Scout. Guess what? I’m also an Eagle Scout (“once an Eagle, always an Eagle” as the saying goes.) Don’t believe me? Don’t care, not my problem. I know the truth and you do not, simple as that.

    • cobainfan69
    • Posted February 1, 2011 at 11:26 am
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    @Steve: Oh, I also found this article you might be interested in:

    Apparently some state legislators in South Dakota just introduced a bill that would require all their citizens over the age of 21 to own a gun. The funny thing is that this bill wasn’t introduced in much of a serious capacity, but more of just a way of protesting the government mandate of purchasing health insurance in Obamacare.

    Thought some people here might get a kick out of it, so I thought I’d pass it along here before I left for work. Enjoy!

    • Steve
    • Posted February 1, 2011 at 12:54 pm
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    Cobainfan — I have owned firearms since I was 13 and bought a .45cal black powder revolver, with my parents blessing, with the $$ earned from my paper route (no allowances in our family).
    Decades of responsible and safe ownership… I maintain a concealed-carry permit too – that most other states in this Republic fully recognize (known as reciprocity)… so, enjoy your ‘creepy’ feelings~

    I am both glad nor surprised you & your cultural likes are uncomfortable with me & folks like me (tens of millions of us) owning firearms. Like so many disagreements we have had, the history of firearms and American heritage is certainly a stranger to you.

    Scout Oath
    On my honor I will do my best
    To do my duty to God and my country
    and to obey the Scout Law;
    To help other people at all times;
    To keep myself physically strong,
    mentally awake, and morally straight.

    Scout Law
    A Scout is trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly,
    courteous, kind, obedient, cheerful, thrifty,
    brave, clean, and reverent.

    Manny — your perverted inferences about me wanting to shoot everyone is the latest example of the sleazy dishonesty in how you liberals twist and misrepresent views you disagree with. Not such a great example of the Scouting Oath, is it ???

    I happen to have a good friend who I know was an Eagle Scout… and based on him and many others who are known Eagle Scouts, your expressed views are a sad anomaly from the value-base that Eagle Scout profess.

    Or, would you like to clarify for us what principles of Scouting you denounce now ?

  3. I don’t have a problem with people owning firearms. I have a problem with people who are too blinded by their loyalty to gun culture to understand that not everyone in the U.S. lives the way they do or in the same circumstances they do, and that the consequences of there being easy access to guns can be very different in some places than in others. Cultures are different and dynamics are different, and what works in a relatively sparsely populated area isn’t necessarily going to work in a major urban center. That’s not being “elitist” or whatever, that’s acknowledging reality. We are talking about two different, equally valid cultures whose different circumstances have led to two different outlooks on easy access to firearms.

    The arguments, however, are not equal.

    Responsible gun owners would not be affected in the slightest by imposing stricter laws around firearms purchase. They would carry on the way they’ve been for decades, while the Loughners and other assorted lunatics of the world would not have the immediate, easy path to mass murder they now have. Conversely, should things continue as they are, responsible gun owners will still carry on, while innocent people remain at greater risk than they need to be.

    Yes, “guns don’t kill people, people kill people.” True. And it’s a testament to the amount of diseased and/or traumatized minds out there that our murder-by-gun rate is as high as it is. But until we are brave (and willing) enough to confront this issue head on (and don’t get me started on THAT mess…), there is no conscionable reason not to make it more difficult for those diseased minds to kill large numbers of people at once, or even kill one person at thirty feet (a sheer impossibility in a knife fight, unless one possesses dagger-hurling skills worthy of a ninja). What we do by ignoring this issue, is, in effect, enable cowards. Those who kill innocents with firearms are cowards, and it’s a perverse reality that the proportionality of courage to damage inflicted on others is so great.

  4. “That would be like Rush Limbaugh being a member of the ACLU!”

    It’s true, ikabod. He makes no secret of it.

    • Steve
    • Posted February 1, 2011 at 4:21 pm
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    Marbles — the media constructed term, “gun culture” is but one of a series of terms & clichés that have been used to foster & promote misunderstandings by the pro-gun control axis of lefties, that I have tracked since I began observing the debates about gun control, dating back 35+ years. I have seen & heard these issues debated ‘head on’… all this time.

    Whether the mutual interests surround scuba diving, cycling, or firearms/shooting, there is intrinsically no differences in the manners of human nature around these mutual interests, but one.
    Firearms are deeply intertwined in this country’s history and struggle to be a free country and a free people. The instinct for self-preservation and self defense are embedded among all gun owners… not to mention the vast numbers of folks who are yet to own one.
    Jared Loughner was never, by the slightest indication, a shooting hobbyist, or one who had anything in common with millions of law abiding gun owners. He is the rare and tragic exception to a lawful gun owner with his purpose directed to pure malice murder.
    His kind have existed always, not just in 2011, but in 1811, and in 1711…etc.

    I am just a prone to ballistic injuries as the next soul, and I do not care if some ‘bubba’ next door has high capacity magazines, or even a full-auto capable weapon. Largely, that is true because I have been shooting most all my life.
    The argument about the lethal capability of modern firearms with high capacity magazines is a tried & true scare tactic from the ‘more gun laws’ lobby.

    This argument counts on twin pillars of ignorance and lack of common sense.
    1st: crimes like Loughner committed are very rare, but when they do occur, often betray some malfeasance on the part of some official who should have acted on indicators that individual was dangerous. The story on Jared Loughner is far from closed — and that loud-mouth Sheriff has lots of explaining to do, why actions were not taken towards Loughner sooner.
    National crime information sources show the objective facts that gun owners, from either displaying their gun, or in some measure using it, stops 2 – 2.5 millions crimes a year. That is a lot of good people NOT being crime victims,… ya think ??

    In the metro Atlanta area, the typical victim of a home invasion assault are non-English speaking folks and other minorities. Why?… WHY ??… very simple, people in these demographics’ are least likely to own a gun to be able to defend themselves with.

    2nd: the 2nd Amendment was never about duck hunting… our Founding Fathers had one key principle in mind; for the common citizen to resist and fight back any government that becomes tyrannical. However “radical” that sounds, that is a historical fact behind the 2nd Amendment.
    If you doubt it, research Lexington & Concord, circa spring of 1775.
    From volumes of writings connected with the constitutions of our first 13 states, the intention was clearly defined as the common man be armed in the common arms of the day.
    No way in hell will tens of millions of Americans willingly trade down to single shot rifles.

    The locations in the US with the highest crime rates have the strictest gun laws…
    Communities that are the most ‘2nd Amendment friendly’, have the lowest crime levels…
    Without exception – EVERY state that passed ‘shall issue’ concealed carry permits, saw significant double-digit drops in violent crimes.

    If the best safety for the most people is truly what you want — you would join my side of this issue~

    • Manny
    • Posted February 1, 2011 at 10:06 pm
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    “your perverted inferences about me wanting to shoot everyone is the latest example of the sleazy dishonesty in how you liberals twist and misrepresent views you disagree with. Not such a great example of the Scouting Oath, is it ???” In what way am I being dishonest? That’s what I’m taking your diatribes to mean, that you wish to silence those you disagree with. You do me a disservice sir. And you do Marbles a disservice by ignoring the very valid points he makes.

    I’ll say it once more since you seem to have missed it. I also have no issue with people legally owning firearms. That was never the issue and you damn well know that.

    • ikabod
    • Posted February 2, 2011 at 12:36 am
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    “It’s true, ikabod. He makes no secret of it.”
    Marbles I know he is. He supports “common sense” gun control. Whatever that means…..

    • Mark T.
    • Posted February 2, 2011 at 12:50 am
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    As an Eagle Scout let me remind you of the Scout motto….Be prepared.

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