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    • ikabod
    • Posted October 19, 2009 at 10:53 am
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    You would think the ACLU dad would encourage his kid to express his artistic endeavors and free speech right, regardless of the canvas.

  1. Naw, Ikabod: ideologies are one thing, your livingroom wall is another.

    • Ken
    • Posted October 19, 2009 at 11:23 am
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    “You would think the ACLU dad would encourage his kid to express his artistic endeavors and free speech right, regardless of the canvas.”

    Zack has issues with logic and consistency.

  2. Even a leftist can want a clean livingroom, Ken. Get some nuance in your thinking.

    • MethodistMin
    • Posted October 19, 2009 at 11:44 am
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    LOL; Zack. Perhaps Ken doesn’t have kids?

    • Ken
    • Posted October 19, 2009 at 12:08 pm
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    “Perhaps Ken doesn’t have kids?”

    I had them aborted in the 5th trimester and ate them with some arugula.

    (Yes, I know there are 3 trimesters.)

  3. –Or, Methodistmin, possibly there’s stuff going down in the average leftist’s livingroom that even we couldn’t have guessed. Come on, Ken, ‘fess up: is this drawing maybe a little too close to (literally) home?

    • MethodistMin
    • Posted October 19, 2009 at 12:17 pm
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    Please. Ken. We all know that Obama doesn’t endorse actually eating aborted fetuses. He gives doesn’t want doctors or nurses to save fetuses that might survive a late term abortion, and he wants the governemt to pay for abortions.

    No doubt he has Kobe beef with his argula as long as the government is paying for it.

    • Steve T
    • Posted October 19, 2009 at 12:40 pm
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    Perhaps Ken will cut & paste what I say, too-!!
    Go – cut & paste Kenny – go-go-go!!

    Great illustration Zack-!
    The look on Jason’s face,…just like the ‘hope & change’ zombies in the voting line, last Nov.

    Now,… perhaps Diversity can dance in with ‘Rush Hudson Limbaugh, Mmm-Mmm-Mmm-!!

    • Max
    • Posted October 19, 2009 at 12:47 pm
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    And just because we want to kill something doesn’t mean we want to eat it. ObaMao obviously classes the unborn with cockroaches.

  4. You’re cracking me up, Steve T.– I know well the Rush spoof you’re talking about and it’s screamingly funny.

    • Steve T
    • Posted October 19, 2009 at 2:41 pm
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    Zack-
    Please, be careful-!!!!!

    Someone might think I am you, talking to YOU-!

    What a hoot-!!!

    • wootabega
    • Posted October 19, 2009 at 3:36 pm
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    Ah, a song about Obama that kids made up during Black History Month and on President’s Day along with two other songs about George Washington and Abraham Lincoln. God damn that indoctrination socialist! This is a Christian Nation! Now let us all pray.

    • Methodistmin
    • Posted October 19, 2009 at 3:41 pm
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    ^^ More trolling; Yawn.

    • Melek
    • Posted October 19, 2009 at 4:26 pm
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    Spot on Zack!!

    Just think that Bill Ayers has been elected vice president for curriculum of the American Educational Research Association (AERA), the nation’s largest organization of education-school professors and researchers.

    Ayers’s radical politics have not changed since his Weather Underground days. He’s still very much working to bring down American capitalism and imperialism. As a true Alinsky community organizer, he’s an advocate of achieving a political revolution through education (indoctrination).

    Following Antonio Gramsci’s marxist principles … we are indeed witnessing the “marching through the institutions”. An attempt to achieve “reverse re-education” (reverse socialism)… “indoctrinate” children and in turn they will become militants and re-educate their parents. This is evident through the “green movement” and the “It’s a moral issue” approach to everything the Left wants to push …

    I wish you well 🙂 Melek

    “Mobilizing children to police their parents’ behaviour used to be something you only found in totalitarian societies. I grew up in Eastern Bloc Hungary and I remember children being encouraged to tell teachers if their parents listened to rock’n’roll. The curriculum is being used as a “policy outlet”. It’s as though the politicians are saying: ‘The parents won’t change fast enough, let’s get the children’.” ~ Frank Furedi

    • Max
    • Posted October 19, 2009 at 4:27 pm
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    wootabega,
    Washington fought for and helped found our great republic. Lincoln maintained its unity during its greatest crisis and, in the process, illuminated its most fundamental principle–the equality of all men. These are men whose praises one would expect to hear sung as much as they deserve to be sung. Obama, on the other hand, has done nothing. Absolutely nothing except, of course, denigrate his country, coddle tyrants, employ ideologues and advance half-witted, long-discredited neo-Keynesian economic policies. For school children to be chanting the non-existent virtues of such an man is nothing less than Orwellian.

  5. Superb, Max. Though to be fair, Obama has made some important inroads: first president to appoint an adherent of Mao… first president to appoint a NAMBLA supporter… first president to appoint a self-avowed communist… first president with an anti-Semitic mentor of 20 years standing…

    • Max
    • Posted October 19, 2009 at 4:39 pm
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    Thanks, Zack. I did try to cover those categories with my reference to “employing [like minded] ideologues”, but there’s nothing like reading the list of specifics you give. Keep up the brilliant work!

  6. [“I did try to cover those categories with my reference to “employing [like minded] ideologues”]

    You certainly did, Max; but you glossed over them a bit too fast for my taste. We need to give thorough credit where it is due.

    • gregor
    • Posted October 19, 2009 at 5:36 pm
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    Wonderful. How like a Liberal to expect the school to teach their kids how to behave so they don’t have to offend the little darlings by doing it themselves…

    • wootabega
    • Posted October 19, 2009 at 6:03 pm
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    “For school children to be chanting the non-existent virtues of such an man is nothing less than Orwellian.”

    I’m getting the feeling you’ve never actually read any material by Orwell.

    Are you seriously dense? It was Black History Month and President’s Day. We had a Black President. It was an elementary-level class. What the hell did you expect them to do, write a fourty-page essay on the fundamentals of our country and how Obama is maniacally destroying them all? It was either a song, or drawing pretty pictures.

    And don’t forget that this occurred eight months ago. Knowing most elementary school children, they’ve forgot whatever song they sang then and are probably more concerned about what they’re going to dress up as for Halloween or what they’ll get for Christmas. And no, I don’t believe those children are thinking that Obama will be the one sliding down the chimney this year.

    • Sarah
    • Posted October 19, 2009 at 6:26 pm
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    What a great comic, Zack! Spot on how you built up your liberal strawman and knocked him down yet again! Bravo!

    • Steve T
    • Posted October 19, 2009 at 7:03 pm
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    Sarah-
    One problem with folks like you not keeping up with current events is,… you do not know about a bunch of grade-schoolers, getting brain-washed, by scripted Obama-worship songs, in the government-run (public) schools.

    If some school had pushed a scripted song onto some children, about praising GW Bush, all the nipple rings and genital piercings you libs would ricochet around the room, until you were injured with fragment wounds.

    ‘Strawman’ -?
    Another noun for your comfortable ignorance.

    What is your ‘La-La’ land like-?

    • wootabega
    • Posted October 19, 2009 at 7:15 pm
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    And get this guys… The government? They have a care that runs on WATER.

    It runs on WATER, man!!!

    • wootabega
    • Posted October 19, 2009 at 7:16 pm
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    Augh, I meant to say “car”. Damn, the liberal media has gotten me so angry I can’t even type right now! Thanks alot NObama.

  7. Exactly right, Steve T… how about that, wootabega, Sarah: you would have been just fine with teachers having their very young, malleable students sing praises en masse to Bush, is that correct? You wouldn’t have found it the least bit like indoctrination, right? Wouldn’t dream of calling your school principal about it if the tots in question were your kids being taught to praise Bush, right?

    • Tyrone
    • Posted October 19, 2009 at 7:59 pm
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    man i don’t care what you think about obama, that cartoon just plain lazy

    • Manuel Calavera
    • Posted October 19, 2009 at 8:06 pm
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    Do we know that never happened while Bush was President Zack? And again, this was during Black History Month, on President’s Day… in an Elementary School.

    Steve – yes, it is a strawman fallacy. Much like many other political cartoonists. Instead of presenting both sides, they just draw their self-insert “outsmarting” the “dumb and so goddamn crazy” *insert Lib/Neocon here as needed*.

    • Sarah
    • Posted October 19, 2009 at 8:29 pm
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    I remember when I was a kid and every morning I was forced to swear my undying loyalty to an inanimate object and the government for which it stands… does that count?

    Anyway, you really shouldn’t be surprised at the term “strawman.” The whole premise of this comic is for Zack to create a strawman of liberal families, and then show the world how stupid/inane/crazy/whatever that strawman family is. Of course this carries the implication that REAL liberals are exactly like this, and thus equally stupid/inane/crazy/whatever. It’s incredibly intellectually lazy, and serves only affirm what the average readers already believe. It provides no actual meaningful political insight, just strawmen to be built up and subsequently beaten down.

    • Steve T
    • Posted October 19, 2009 at 8:48 pm
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    Sarah,

    .…And to the Republic, for WHICH IT STANDS,
    One nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

    Sarah – your issues begin long before the cartoon Zack created.
    You cannot even correctly recall what the Pledge of Allegiance is all about-!!
    It is NOT about an “…an inanimate object”.

    Those thirteen red and white stripes, with the blue and the stars, are symbols very rich in our Republic’s history.

    I strongly implore you to seek, on your own, what those mean… instead of reading a long missive in this forum. You will find it interesting, if you try to learn it, with an open heart, and some gratitude for those millions who shed their blood to defend it.

    • Steve T
    • Posted October 19, 2009 at 8:54 pm
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    Ken-
    You continue to dwell on your pelvic-region, homo-erotic-rectal-genital, twisted metaphors.

    What do your twisted, maladaptive fetishes to do with Zack’s posting-?

    Please enlighten ALL of us-!

    • Ken
    • Posted October 19, 2009 at 9:19 pm
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    Perhaps my post, which mentions you directly, wasn’t about Zack? Learn to read, oorah!

    • Sarah
    • Posted October 19, 2009 at 9:26 pm
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    Steve, I’m well aware of the symbolism and meaning of the flag that my comrades are buried beneath, but I don’t see how children reciting a pledge to it each morning is any better or worse than children singing a song about the President on a special occasion.

    • Steve T
    • Posted October 19, 2009 at 9:54 pm
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    Sarah,
    Sincerely, that is because you have not sought, tried to learn, what is behind the freedoms defined in this Republic’s founding documents.

    The heritage of the United States, its freedoms, how the very founding was the beginning of the end of slavery,… is an incredibly rich and eventually, wonderful history.

    Nowhere else in human history is there any such liberation recorded.

    Yes, our country has a history of many faults – however, NO other country in recorded history has come into existence for the reasons so defined in the Declaration of Independence.

    Many other countries, in the past century, have used our Declaration of Independence and Constitution as the basis of their government.

    Although our founders owned slaves (can you blame them for when they were born-?), their deep Christian convictions were, in the larger picture, self-convicting,…and their proclamations were to declare that, “…all men [people] are created equal”.
    Washington, Jefferson, others,… freed their slaves.

    The founding of our Republic WAS the beginning of the discussion of freeing all the slaves-!

    In the 1860’s, over 500,000 Americans died over this issue.

    In proportion to the population of the US today, that would be like 25+ million soldiers & civilians dying today, in such a conflict. [try picturing that many flag-covered coffins-!]

    For you to compare the Pledge of Allegiance to the naive & scripted sing-a-long loyalties to B. Obama, who has NO appreciation or fidelity to the Presidential oath he took,… is grotesque and without substance.

    This moral relativism disrespects those things, about our countries history, and freedoms, for which you ought to be very grateful-!

    • Sarah
    • Posted October 19, 2009 at 10:21 pm
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    Sorry, Steve, I’m still not seeing what the big deal is. If you want to wax dramatic about what is ultimately a harmless act performed by a single class and claim that it’s indicative of Obama’s secret perverse socialist indoctrination plans, you’re more than welcome. Just don’t expect anyone with a level head to take you seriously.

    • Steve T
    • Posted October 19, 2009 at 10:41 pm
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    Sarah,
    If you believe having a “…level head” includes being blissfully ignorant of this country’s history – enjoy your snuggling within the warmth of the intellectual pulp that comforts your present state of mind.

    Those like you enjoy your freedoms due to the sacrifice of many of whom you know nothing about, of circumstances you remain conveniently and smugly ignorant.

    “Facts are stubborn things…”

    • Sarah
    • Posted October 19, 2009 at 11:14 pm
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    Hey, no need to lecture me about sacrifice that you assume I know nothing about. I’ve already sworn an oath to make that sacrifice if need be.

    But y’know, go on ahead and keep making assumptions about me. It’s amusing.

  8. Number of classes that wrote and sang a song about Barack Obama: 1

    Number of times, to my knowledge, they performed this song: 1

    Does this mean I was indoctrinated into being a brainwashed fan of Ice Station Zebra because I watched it once in class? Was Reagan to blame for my teacher’s lesson plan which involved letting us watch a Rock Hudson arctic thriller the day before Thanksgiving break? Because we totally watched that film, when we could’ve been learning about, I don’t know, James Madison.

  9. We also had a bus driver who would come in for Kansas Day every year and present us with ‘traditional prairie meals’ which were generally stews made out of snake, turtle or some other non-standard animal meat. We did this more than once. Was this part of a 1980s Republican brainwashing technique so I would um… er… I guess I would forget the sacrifices of WWII veterans and forsake beef and poultry? Did Reagan want me to come home and just spread rattlesnake viscera all over the walls?

    Help me out here, I went to school every day for YEARS and there are a lot of single-day activities I might have forgotten that have turned me into a Manchurian candidate!

    • Melek
    • Posted October 20, 2009 at 5:14 am
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    Just as an FYI … here are some other examples of kids praising Obama … pre and after elections … and keep in mind that these are the ones that made it to YouTube … I’m sure there are plenty more out there … IMO, they border in inspiring a cult of personality … MMM, mmm, mmm

    AND from Mr. Bee’s Class …

    Kids Obama Song

    The Obama Song (“Proud American”)
    By Mr. B and the students of Room 8

    Obama Nation- Youth Brigade TV Advertizment

    You may remember this onr from before the elections …

    Obama Youth Brigade March in Formation

    I wish you well 🙂 Melek

    “It is hardly surprising that young people prefer the political left. The only reason for rejecting the left’s vision is that the real world in which we live is very different from the world that the left perceives today or envisions for tomorrow. Most of us learn that from experience– but experience is precisely what the young are lacking.” ~ T. Sowell

    • buckitz
    • Posted October 20, 2009 at 6:05 am
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    I don’t care what party you are, you find yourself going “Mmm-mmm-mmm-” and singing a little song to whatever as you go about your day, or say it as a joking remark.
    I usually use that l’i’l coda when singing about my dog farting.

    • Manuel Calavera
    • Posted October 20, 2009 at 7:35 am
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    I watched Jesus Christ Superstar a couple times when I was in (Catholic) Grade School. I blame that on me liking said movie. Plus, yknow, Judas got a raw deal. The actor portraying him did a great job, hard to say who was better. HIm or Pontius Pilate.

    • ikabod
    • Posted October 20, 2009 at 8:07 am
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    Ah yes the horrific Pledge of Allegiance. I can assume you where one of the folks just a little two uncomfortable with raising the flag on Veterans Day. Oh no! Some may just get offended by that! Yet come on! This is not on the same level as kids singing in mass to Kim Jong-il, yet there is a clear creep factor going on. Imagine the left going bonkers with just 1 classroom praising Bush.. Oh no! It’s the Bush/Hitler youth all over again!

    • wootabega
    • Posted October 20, 2009 at 8:10 am
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    It still amazes me how the political world has done a complete mirror flip of perspective ever since Obama was elected. Now liberals are the ones trusting of the President and the government and conservatives are the ones that completely nonsensical conspiracy theories and claim themselves to be victims of oppression.

    And I can only imagine that the next election will just flip things back to the way it was under Bush. The country is never going to change. Death to America, etc etc

    • wootabega
    • Posted October 20, 2009 at 8:14 am
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    “Imagine the left going bonkers with just 1 classroom praising Bush.. Oh no! It’s the Bush/Hitler youth all over again!”

    They already did?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/25/flashback-students-sang-b_n_300372.html

    ♪Our country’s stood beside us
    People have sent us aid.
    Katrina could not stop us,
    our hopes will never fade.
    Congress, Bush and FEMA People across our land
    Together have come to rebuild us and we join them hand-in-hand!♪

    • Sarah
    • Posted October 20, 2009 at 9:06 am
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    “I can assume”

    You really shouldn’t.

    • Sarah
    • Posted October 20, 2009 at 9:10 am
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    Of course, this is a comic committed entirely to the creation and subsequent demonization and destruction of liberal strawman, so I can see why you would assume such things. After all, Zack has shown that EVERY LIBERAL EVER acts like they do in the comic, so it stands to reason that anyone who disagrees with you is an America-hating, flag-burning, tree-hugging, baby-killing, tofu-eating, faggot-loving, troop-spitting, kum-ba-ya-singing transgendered hippie flower child moron. Am I right?

    • ikabod
    • Posted October 20, 2009 at 9:13 am
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    “Congress, Bush and FEMA People across our land Together have come to rebuild us and we join them hand-in-hand” If the last part was taken out of this…. it would have been less creepy. So Liberals all thought this was cool?

    Sarah, then I lets stop “assuming” then that all conservatives are racist, homophobes. Not saying your in that camp… Just sayin.

    Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/25/flashback-students-sang-b_n_300372.html

  10. ikabod: So wait, you’re admitting that the “Obama song” phenomenon was non-unique? That a class did the same thing for Bush, and yet there were not months of blogs, news shows and cartoons panicking over the INDOCTRINATING BRAINWASHING HORROR? Doesn’t that kind of kill your argument?

    • Max
    • Posted October 20, 2009 at 11:10 am
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    “wootabega” wants to believe that I haven’t read Orwell. But, of course, he’s wrong. In fact, I’ve read a fair amount. That’s why I know about (his) insights like this one: “…it is the liberals who fear liberty and the intellectuals who want to do dirt on the intellect.”
    And this little gem: “Some things are so stupid, only an intellectual [like Obama] could believe them.
    But “wootabega” incredulously asks, what could we possibly expect of school children with a black president during black history month?
    And I say, nothing less than that, “children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged [or judge] by the color of their skin but by the content of their character[s].
    But maybe that isn’t good enough for “wootabega.”

    • Manuel Calavera
    • Posted October 20, 2009 at 11:44 am
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    What do you think of the Bush song Max? And remember these were elementary school kids, singing once.

    Mmm mmm mmm, this is a stupid talking point. Mmm mmm mmm it has absolutely no meaning other than vitriol from the right.

    • thesecolorsdontrun
    • Posted October 20, 2009 at 11:49 am
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    hey max, how about you and me get together and have a non-discriminatory truck dragging?

    • wootabega
    • Posted October 20, 2009 at 11:56 am
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    That’s right “Max”, my user name is indeed “wootabega”.

    And I say to you this: the United States has not yet fully become a nation where people aren’t judged by the color of their skin. But if I’m reading your post correctly, are you seriously putting down the existence of Black History Month being observed in American schools? Really? A month where schoolchildren can learn about important black people in American history not because of the color of their skin, but because of their contributions to society and humanity as a whole?

    Of course, public schools couldn’t possibly want to educate kids about historical black individuals because of their achievements with technology, health, science and civil rights. No, it has to just be because they’re black! Darn those racist public schools!! Now that they’re under the power of the Supreme Commander Obama, now the white men will never be free of black tyranny!!!

    • wootabega
    • Posted October 20, 2009 at 11:58 am
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    “If the last part was taken out of this…. it would have been less creepy. So Liberals all thought this was cool? ”

    Maybe they all realized it was just elementary school kids singing a song and it wasn’t some secret indoctrination program by Fuhrer Bush to corrupt the country’s youth? No, of course only Obama would think of something THAT devilish!

    • Max
    • Posted October 20, 2009 at 12:21 pm
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    Manuel,
    In fact, I think it’s inappropriate for public school children to be told to sing the praises of any sitting president. But I was addressing “wootabega’s” claim that the children who sang odes to Obama should be given a pass because it was black history month and Obama is black.
    I very much doubt that the children who harmonized in honor of Bush were doing so because he is white.
    Further, there was far less enthusiasm for Bush among conservatives than there is for Obama among liberals. (And I thinks that’s understating the case…). But, in any case, this should come as no surprise; Bush wasn’t a far less than exemplary conservative. While Obama, on the other hand, is the most liberal president this nation’s ever had.

    • Max
    • Posted October 20, 2009 at 12:23 pm
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    Correction: “Bush WAS a far less than exemplary conservative…”

    • Ken
    • Posted October 20, 2009 at 12:43 pm
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    “far less enthusiasm for Bush among conservatives than there is for Obama among liberals. (And I thinks that’s understating the case…).”

    I can’t find the article now, but loss of support from liberals accounted for the largest part of Obama’s approval rating drop a month or so ago.

    Then again, you probably think everyone to the left of Reagan is a flaming commie liberal, so your opinion isn’t particularly valuable anyway.

    • ikabod
    • Posted October 20, 2009 at 12:47 pm
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    “so it stands to reason that anyone who disagrees with you is an America-hating, flag-burning, tree-hugging, baby-killing, tofu-eating, faggot-loving, troop-spitting, kum-ba-ya-singing transgendered hippie flower child moron. Am I right?”

    I don’t think so Sarah. Yet the majority of the left is in line with your list.
    Yet “Faggot” is such a harsh word to describe those that are homosexual don’t ya think?

    Give it time Sarah there will be a whole lot of troop spitting, America hating, and continued flag burning. Kids from the sixties look upon those events with pride as the golden age of the Anti war movement. How dare you try and marginalize your brothers and sisters. Supporting and cheering for every victory for Ho Chi Min, was the anti war left. Yet, it wasn’t about just ending the war, it was about humiliating the US.

    Is sucking up to Osama Bin Laden, just around the corner? Ya never know, if Obama doesn’t end/lose the war in Iraq and Afghanistan fast enough. He’s going to have a whole lot of lefties real upset, and their going to have to lash out someone. Might as well go after our returning troops and hoping for a Al Queda victory. Hatin’ the military is the foundation of the left. Since the military, the American military is the cause of such misery and terror in the world. Its who the left is, its how they think, its what they want, a world without the US as a super power.

    Sorry Sarah the left antiwar movement didn’t start in 2001 with the election of President Bush. It has been around for a long time, Hating, America.

    Come on hating the US has always been what the cool kids are doing right?

    • Max
    • Posted October 20, 2009 at 12:52 pm
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    Now, now, Ken–coming down a little hard on me, aren’t you? In fact, I don’t believe that “everyone to the left of Reagan is a flaming commie.” So, maybe you’ll give my opinion another chance. My understanding was that Obama’s greatest loss of (numerical) support has been with independents.

    • ikabod
    • Posted October 20, 2009 at 1:03 pm
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    “Then again, you probably think everyone to the Right of Carter/Obama/Clinton is a flaming gun toting, NRA card holding, Racist, Homophobe, wife staying at home, fathers accepting responsibility and raising their kids, Military supporting, America loving, Flag waving, NASCAR watching, Meat eating (medium rare please), gas guzzling, questioning global warming conservatives, so your opinion isn’t particularly valuable anyway.”

    Hey Ken that was fun! Gotta love that cut and paste feature. Now if only I can find a way to cut and paste a million dollars into my bank account.

  11. Max,

    Come on, [extremely presumptive and unflattering caricature of what all conservatives believe]!

    If you don’t support that, you aren’t really a conservative. Isn’t that right, ikabod?

    • ikabod
    • Posted October 20, 2009 at 1:17 pm
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    The anti war movement was an embarrassment and possibly extended the war itself:

    “Every testimony by North Vietnamese generals in the postwar years has affirmed that they knew they could not defeat the United States on the battlefield, and that they counted on the division of our people at home to win the war for them. The Vietcong forces we were fighting in South Vietnam were destroyed in 1968. In other words, most of the war and most of the casualties in the war occurred because the dictatorship of North Vietnam counted on the fact Americans would give up the battle rather than pay the price necessary to win it. This is what happened. The blood of hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese, and tens of thousands of Americans, is on the hands of the anti-war activists who prolonged the struggle and gave victory to the Communists.”

    “In just a few years after the communist takeovers in Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia, more Indochinese citizens were killed by the communists than had died on both sides in the whole Vietnam war.”

    Good times. Good times indeed for the left. You guys must be proud. Now… Let me make this clear, I firmly believe the Vietnam war was a tragedy and we should have NOT fought. Yet if your going to commit our troops lets win the damn thing and go home.

    • ikabod
    • Posted October 20, 2009 at 1:23 pm
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    Chris E-
    You have your generalizations of the conservatives I’m just giving you a little bit more. Enjoy! Trade them with you liberal friends! Its fun! It’s divisive!
    Oh and my wife does stay at home, by choice (oh and don’t get me started on raising a family on one income….sheesh!)

    • Ken
    • Posted October 20, 2009 at 1:47 pm
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    “fathers accepting responsibility and raising their kids”

    This is not even remotely true of the conservatives I know.

    • ikabod
    • Posted October 20, 2009 at 2:16 pm
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    Oh… but Liberals are all about Fathers accepting responsibility. Jeesh, Ken what ever happened to it takes a village? Come on! Embrace your collectivism! Communal living!

    “How dare you! We didn’t prolong the war! We were patriots goddamnit!”

    • Ken
    • Posted October 20, 2009 at 2:25 pm
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    “Liberals are all about Fathers accepting responsibility. Jeesh, Ken what ever happened to it takes a village?”

    These are not mutually exclusive ideas.

    • ikabod
    • Posted October 20, 2009 at 3:48 pm
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    Must I remind you Ken that Women can do it all? “A woman needs a man like fish needs a bicycle!” I guess since this is the case, the gals can handle things on her own. Your right! Your merely sperm donor! Embrace your freedom Ken! and stop hating me for pointing it out! Liberals are very much in support of the village taking care the child. Cuz we average citizens are just too damn stupid to do it on our own!

    • Sarah
    • Posted October 20, 2009 at 6:03 pm
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    “I say you’re a liberal, so that means you believe this dumb thing that I say all liberals believe! Look at how dumb you are for believing that!”

    • Sarah
    • Posted October 20, 2009 at 6:05 pm
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    That’s pretty much the premise of this entire comic, isn’t it? So it really shouldn’t come as a surprise that all the drooling fans, who wouldn’t dare say a critical word about it for fear of being called a liberal, argue in the same fashion, using the same logical fallacies.

    • Ken
    • Posted October 20, 2009 at 6:05 pm
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    “Liberals are very much in support of the village taking care the child.”

    The father would typically be part of said village. As I said earlier, “These are not mutually exclusive ideas.”

    You seem very upset over this. Did your father abandon you? Did you abandon your children?

    Why are conservatives always such angry people?

    • ikabod
    • Posted October 20, 2009 at 9:42 pm
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    Ken-
    My wife and kids are fine, and are asleep. Its is a school night!

  12. The problem with black history month is that it seems to be the only time we study the important contributions of Blacks in America. And I say this as a teacher. I would dearly love to start the year studying “Letter From a Birmingham Jail” instead of waiting until February. That’s asinine. It’s just as asinine that I should only be talking about Hispanics in October etc. It’s hard enough to cover everything I need to cover in 180 days as it is without having to shoehorn in things for “…-American Month”.

  13. Wow, what happened to the word “American” PERIOD. After all, if you were born in America then you are simply an American. Not a black American, White American, African American or Latino American. It amazes me how much the Liberals that are here commentating continue to make some sort of separation and distinction. And you know why? Because they hate America! And what it stands for!

    Also, this is a direct question to Manuel Calavera. Manuel, where did you receive your training? I can smell you from here, who are you working for?

  14. Zack, another beauty, the 3d effect is absolutely fantastic. There is so much contradiction going on that house. “Confusion” would be the better word to use because after all, that’s how the Left works. Confuse separate and conquer! Right Manuel?

    • Manuel Calavera
    • Posted October 22, 2009 at 8:28 am
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    What are you talking about?

  15. You know what I’m talking about. Tell me what your opinion of Obama is and forget about mentioning the word Bush or Republicans. What do you feel Obama will do for America? Where do you stand, literally.

    • Manuel Calavera
    • Posted October 22, 2009 at 1:43 pm
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    “Also, this is a direct question to Manuel Calavera. Manuel, where did you receive your training? I can smell you from here, who are you working for?” Explain that. And this “because after all, that’s how the Left works. Confuse separate and conquer! Right Manuel?” Because I seriously have no idea what you’re talking about and it sounds like a SOROS FUNDED TROLL conspiracy theory.

    And why do you presume I couldn’t tell you what I think of him without mentioning Bush or Republicans? Seriously? I think he’s a good guy who’s been getting a lot of shit since he started campaigning. But time will tell what and how he does. I think he’ll do good though, especially if say, some sort of UHC bill goes through.

    • Ken
    • Posted October 22, 2009 at 2:20 pm
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    Cube Steak seems to be having paranoid delusions. LOL at thinking this site is important enough that anyone would hire and pay trolls to disrupt the comment section.

  16. It’s Cubanology and be nice Ken. I’m asking Manuel a specific question, directed at him only. I got one for you later, wait awhile.

    So Manuel, he’s a nice? That’s it? Do you question anything he or his administration does? You do not see anything wrong with anything he does or has done? This is what I have been trying to get out of you, some kind of opinion from you, instead of confusing contradictions that do not refer to Zack’s illustration. Don’t you see any type of danger with the ongoing indoctrination going on in
    our schools. Or you don’t see this going on. Please answer this question, if you want, if you can.

    • Manuel Calavera
    • Posted October 22, 2009 at 8:03 pm
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    Answer my question please, explain your other comments (as I quoted in my last comment). I see no indoctrination in schools. I wish he’d get his act together in regards to say, Gitmo, or working on the economy, or figuring out a solution to the quagmires that are Afghanistan and Iraq. But it’s a stressful job, I understand that much. I’m not going to damn him because he doesn’t do something with the snap of his fingers, because that’s not how it works.

    If that doesn’t satisfy you, that’s your problem. I asked a question, I’d appreciate if you gave me the same courtesy and answer it.

    • Ken
    • Posted October 22, 2009 at 8:20 pm
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    “It’s Cubanology and be nice Ken. I’m asking Manuel a specific question, directed at him only.”

    Bite me, Cube Steak. You posted your idiotic question so anyone can read it, so you’re just going to have to live with other people commenting on it.

    • Manuel Calavera
    • Posted October 22, 2009 at 8:29 pm
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    Hey Ken, there’s no need for that. You’re just encouraging Steve to continue being petty and vindictive. A calm rational debate is far better than RARGH I DISAGREE WITH YOU UR A BUTT.

    • Manuel Calavera
    • Posted October 23, 2009 at 7:26 am
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    Some do at least. Also, that reminds me. I wonder where Donna disappeared to.

    • Manuel Calavera
    • Posted October 23, 2009 at 1:49 pm
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    Well Cubano? Still waiting for you to address my question and allay my fears that you think I’m a Soros funded troll.

    • Manuel Calavera
    • Posted October 26, 2009 at 8:14 am
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    Why am I not surprised there’s still no response? I figured that would happen.

    • Ken
    • Posted October 26, 2009 at 8:30 am
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    There’s your rational debate, Manny.

    • Manuel Calavera
    • Posted October 26, 2009 at 8:03 pm
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    You missed a perfect opportunity to go “How’s that CHANGE for ya?” Ken.


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