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    • ikabod
    • Posted October 12, 2009 at 9:49 am
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    Its not what you do, its what your “going” to do that counts for the NPP nowadays!

    • Melek
    • Posted October 12, 2009 at 11:21 am
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    Spot on Zack!!

    Diversity is simply describing the rising tide of mediocrity sweeping over our country, as a result of the “Age of Sensitivity & Sensibility”!!

    I wish you well 🙂 Melek

    “Hypocrisy can afford to be magnificent in its promises, for never intending to go beyond promise, it costs nothing.”~ Edmund Burke

  1. Gotta love that positive thinking Zach. I am going to use that with my boss. Just got back from Europeland. If you go, be sure to keep some spare change…you have to pay to use public restrooms over there. Pretty crazy.

    But back on topic, giving this award to Obama just further proves what many have said for quite a while. The NPP is being used as a political tool of the European left.

    In the statement defending their choice Geir Lundestad, secretary of the committee, said that it was hoped that the award would help advance Obama’s agenda. Need I say more. At least their honest.

  2. Ikabod: My fave NPP move is when they award the prize to Obama after having refused it to Ghandi. It’s great to get a clear glimpse of the real ideological rot taking place under the surface of this once respected disaster of an organization.

    Thanks Melek. Great quote by Burke there, too. What a neverending source of wisdom, that one.

    Glad that positive thinking angle is working for you, tsc, and thanks for the tip about European restrooms. Would a study done on this public pay-toilet policy be called a “euranalysis?”

    • ikabod
    • Posted October 12, 2009 at 1:09 pm
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    “Need I say more. At least their honest.” Yeah, after reading the post of yours it did give me a “whatyagonnado?” moment. Yet on another level. Look at it this way. Obama is the hero of the left. The entitlement left to me more accurate (don’t know if they are faction of Democrats….), this does assume then that he is entitled to the award simply because he has that perceived potential. Regardless of that, I could then give my kids new bikes every quarter because they have the “potential” of doing well in school. Now do I reposes the bicycles because they don’t do well at the end of the quarter? If Obama does not succeed in his agenda does the NPPC demand the award returned? Absolutely not. At least he tried….. Maybe, i don’t quite understand the award process of the NPP. Perhaps that’s my problem. However not a good learning moment for the kids.

  3. While I neither understand nor particularly support why Obama is a Nobel Peace Prize recipient, I have no idea what Mahatma Gandhi has to do with any of this.

    Gandhi was nominated five times and was the likely winner in 1948 before he was assassinated. The Nobel Prize bylaws state that an award can not be given posthumously, and so they declined to award the Nobel Peace Prize to anyone in 1948, leaving a gap in the list of winners for Gandhi.

    Also, everyone involved with the nomination and selection process in Gandhi’s time is dead and no longer has any bearing on the process in 2009. Feel free to criticize the individuals who gave Obama the award if it suits your fancy, but you’re really reaching with this Gandhi business. If you think not giving Gandhi an award in the 1930s is a sign of the rot of the organization, hasn’t it been bad for the past seventy years?

  4. What the comittee should do is give one to everyone so that no one feels bad about not achieving as much as others. We need to get rid of this success-obsessed society. Not good for the collective.

    • Manuel Calavera
    • Posted October 12, 2009 at 6:45 pm
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    Well of course the same group who gave one to Al Gore (when he HIMSELF is made of carbon) are dumb. Isn’t it obvious Chris? Heh, educated libs :smug:.

  5. Been waiting for your take on this Zack!

    Don’t leave it at just one!

  6. I’m actually shocked that the kids go to a school that actually hands out grades! Won’t that wound the self esteem of the kids who go there?

    • thesecolorsdontrun
    • Posted October 13, 2009 at 12:51 pm
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    Zack, I thought you’d be happy obama hasn’t been able to accomplish anything, it means your republican senators are doing their jobs, right?

    After all, it’s wonderful that they continue to reject every single plan brought to the healthcare table that doesn’t benefit their rich Insurance company masters.

  7. They have been doing their jobs…finally sticking up for their conservative roots.

    Your assertion that the insurance companies are involved in some type of conspiracy to gouge the public is not based upon facts. Excessive executive pay or excessive returns to shareholders are the two red flags indicating this activity. Neither exist with the 5 largest insurers.

    You are just invoking class warfare. FDR used it to get re-elected and I guarantee you Obama will use it in a few years. But you wont find too many educated people falling for it.

    • ikabod
    • Posted October 13, 2009 at 4:59 pm
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    Back to the race card again I see. Apparently your attitude is to continue the racist crutch you and your little friends play with. The only racist statements are coming from you.

  8. Ken, evidently I hit a nerve. I was just stating a falacy of the evil health insurance argument that was used (and has been used by Obama and other liberals). I can send you a link to the study done if you would like, which was reported by Caroline Baum from Bloomberg.

    I cant help but laugh though because you made my point with the ‘since when do republicans have a problem with those things’ comment. Typical stereotype.

    I referenced class welfare because FDR used it when his first term polices failed in order to get re-elected and it has been used successfully in European history to usher in socialist policies. Much like FDR and Obama. Did not think it would provoke such an off the mark response.

  9. correction ‘warfare’

    • Ken
    • Posted October 13, 2009 at 6:44 pm
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    “off the mark response.”

    You have issues with reading comprehension.

  10. I assure you I have no problem with reading comprehension. The use of class warfare is well documented for all cases I mentioned. You cannot say the same about your comment. Your comment had no factual basis. It was simply a hateful false sterotype used to incite.

    To counter one of these false stereotypes you used – I can send you a brief history of how your ‘tolerant’ party oppressed the black race for many years. People often have to be reminded that MLK Jr was a registered Republican. Once again, just let me know.

  11. Bringing up any sort of race relations post-Dixiecrats (and before pretty much anyone in power in either party were involved) is nothing but an effort in obfuscating the issue.

  12. Picking out isolated comments from supporters at some rally does not validate a political strategy by a candidate or party. You did refer to the GOP and their strategy. The republican party does not have a strategy of only including white Christians and pitting them against others. If they did, I am sure the NBRA would not exist. This is just a stereotype that has been successfully instituted and used by the left for their political benefit. You are the result of this success. The paper I mentioned would show this. And the parties definately did have a an influence on the civil rights movement over the last 50 years so I think it is applicable. All that being said, you have people that will use race on both sides. I did not, the race card is your little caveat in this discussion.

    We have drifted a bit from the point of the cartoon.

    • Ken
    • Posted October 14, 2009 at 5:41 am
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    This is just a stereotype that has been successfully illustrated and used by the right for their political campaigns.

  13. I doubt the Al Jazeera report you linked to will be used in any political campaign for the right. That would be about like Obama using Rev Wright Sermons in his. But using your logic, any stereotype can be validated with a few isolated examples. Even in this case if they have no official affiliation with the organization the stereotype is about. How do you know that those people were not libertarians, which many of Palin’s followers were. Wouldn’t that mean that all Libertarians are racists white Christians. Just a thought.

    For those interested, here is the link to the little history report on race I mentioned.

  14. Great illustration.

    I am shocked and disappointed when talking-heads say “we should all be proud of this honor on our president and our country.”

    If my son were to come home from school with an award that he clearly did not earn, let’s say the “I love my school uniform” award (kiddo complains EVERY DAY about the uniform). If my son were to come home with the “love my uniform” award, I would ask him why he got it and I would make him decline the award the next day for two reasons; his integrity and the integrity of the award.

    If such an award existed, surely some child at the school who truly loves to wear the uniform should get the award. To give the award to an obvious pretender disenfranchises those who rightfully deserve it and it makes my son a laughing stock.

    Likewise, if I were awarded recognition for my great athleticism (if you could see me, you would get the irony), would I expect real athletes to accept me when I come boldly marching into a gym or weightroom? No. Once again, it would be a mockery of the award and I would be a laughing stock.

    I am disappointed that the president lacked the integrity to refuse an award. I am angry that the Nobel Committee mocked our country by awarding the peace prize to a man who has done nothing other than campaign for himself. I am sad that deserving peacemakers–jailed for their peaceful opposition–were overlooked in the process.

  15. Once again I ask you to show how the GOP uses this stereotype (given to the party by liberals) to purposely attract racists. That is what you are saying, isn’t it? The accusation is pretty absurd if you think about it. All politicians try to get the vote from all segments of society. Like many Democrats you are playing the race card when it does not apply. Real Americans has no more to do with race than when Obama uses the term.

    The lack of black vote for the GOP really has more to do with education than anything. That is the understanding of the politics that are using them.Ever heard of Plantation Politics? The theory has been used by Democrats to build this base. Many black communities have conservative Christian views yet they still vote for liberal candidates. It is quite a phenomenon actually.

    You probably have not had time to read the file I linked to, but you should.

    • Ken
    • Posted October 14, 2009 at 11:10 am
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    “you are playing the race card when it does not apply.”

    And yet you finish your comment by implying that African Americans vote for Democrats because they are ignorant. See, the underlining racism that pervades your beliefs is rearing its head.

    • ikabod
    • Posted October 14, 2009 at 12:44 pm
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    Ken, one glaring example of the purposeful lack of education for African Americans is two fold.

    1. African Americans that excel in school are culturally looked down upon by their peers as being “trying to be white”.
    2. Explain to me liberals being against school vouchers? Where kids regardless of color are allowed to choose their own schools private or public.

    Its about keeping African Americans on the democrat plantation. Keeping them dumb, keeping them poor and voting democrat. Now does this mean that African American kids go on to be smarter and therefore vote conservative? I don’t know the answer to that. Yet my question remains, why not let the parents of African American kids make that decision? Again it falls under the agenda that there is just too much of a risk involved. Then there’s the meltdown from the teachers union, who care so deeply about African American getting the education they need to be successful.

  16. Ken – Nice twist of words, but I did not call them ignorant. I simply stated that they are not educated in the history of the parties and the liberal policies that keep the poor just that. Liberal policies create a government dependent voter base that is hard to break. I would say that people in general are not very well educated on this history or these policies.

    It would be convenient for you to just call me a racist like you did. Only problem is that I stole that line of logic from the Apostle Claver at and a few others at the NBRA. Nice try though.

    • Ken
    • Posted October 14, 2009 at 2:13 pm
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    “Apostle Claver at and a few others at the NBRA.”

    Wow, Republicans don’t want people to think they are racist, color me surprised.

    Did you know there were Jews who worked together with the Nazis? I guess that means Hitler wasn’t an anti-Semite after all.

    • ikabod
    • Posted October 14, 2009 at 9:58 pm
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    Let me know your volunteer schedule for inner city African American/Hispanic kids…. I’ll compare yours with mine from the 1980’s and 90’s.

    The bottom line is you don’t know much about conservatives, other than what the liberal race baiting collectivist whackjobs tell you to think.

  17. I used to do Monday PM and Wednesday AM, but I arranged my schedule so it’s all day Wednesday now, ikabod. Plus other workshops/weekend classes when time permits and they need someone extra.

    What was your schedule like?

    Also full disclosure, they’re not all black or Latino. I hope this doesn’t disqualify my experience!

    • ikabod
    • Posted October 15, 2009 at 12:08 am
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    Well the race card was thrown about here quite often. Simply labeling conservatives as racist in mass, I guess needs to be challenged. Good for you and your commitment for working with kids. While your employment allows your continued ability to help these kids. Unfortunately my time is aimed to raising a family. Now my volunteering is during the winter season, as a ski patroller (actually snowboarder).

    During the 80’s and 90, I did YMCA residency camps for the Orange County, Long Beach and South Central YMCA’s. All summer long.

    • christopherwwaddell
    • Posted October 15, 2009 at 8:52 am
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    Ken – Did you read the document I linked to? I watched your video.

    As far as my references. You called me a racist. What better way to discredit your statement than showing that the people I supposedly hold racist feelings toward have the same viewpoint as myself. (and actually taught me this viewpoint) I would not have even mentioned it if it were not for your false accusation.

    • Thesecolorsdontrun
    • Posted October 15, 2009 at 2:46 pm
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    @ TSC: “Picking out isolated comments from supporters at some rally does not validate a political strategy by a candidate or party.”

    Oh but it’s cool when you did it with Rev. Wright, eh?

    • ikabod
    • Posted October 15, 2009 at 3:25 pm
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    “Oh but it’s cool when you did it with Rev. Wright, eh?”. Of course the reverend was having a bad day. He is really a nice person. Having been so committed to bringing together so many peoples of all races.

    • Ken
    • Posted October 15, 2009 at 3:55 pm
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    “What better way to discredit your statement than showing that the people I supposedly hold racist feelings toward have the same viewpoint as myself.”

    I’d say finding an objective source would be a better way to discredit any claim.

    Also, this bears repeating: “Did you know there were Jews who worked together with the Nazis? I guess that means Hitler wasn’t an anti-Semite after all.”

    Apologies if this is a double post.

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