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    • Steve T
    • Posted August 3, 2009 at 11:46 am
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    My, my, my – how animated Alex looks, and a classic ‘non-verbal’ reply from Diversity.

    When, eventually Obama crashes & burns, perhaps loses re-election, will you consider a scene where Alex, Allison and Devon are ‘hurling’-?

    Sierra might be too stoned to know better.

  1. Definitely Steve, I look forward with a fair degree of optimism to executing that drawing. Though on the other hand that will be ME hugging the commode come 2012 should we be cursed with seeing him win a second term.

    • Max
    • Posted August 3, 2009 at 12:35 pm
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    Good old Che! Still a leftist icon in spite of the thousands he brutally murdered as Fidel’s chief executioner. (Remember when radicals wore Mao shirts? Well, once it was generally acknowledged – even by the Left – that he’d annihilated millions, those shirts sort of disappeared, didn’t they?) Maybe millions slaughtered are what it takes to get the attention of the Left.

  2. You may be on to something there, Max– though I suspect a few older lefties still retain their Little Red Books and mouldering Mao tees in the back of the closet for sentimental reasons. On the other hand, I wonder– and this may be most disturbing of all– whether Che’s eternal cred with the Left is due not to his “low” murder rate (compared to Mao anyway) but, imbecilic as it sounds, because he A) was good-looking and B) died young: two classic grounds for idolatry when you’re either young and stupid, or middle-aged and leftist.

    • Donna C
    • Posted August 3, 2009 at 1:59 pm
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    Wow. My eyes deceived me…I could have sworn Diversity was scrubbing the toilet, when I looked at this earlier! I thought it pretty clever that you used Alex’s description and coupled it with what I thought was Diversity cleaning the toilet…you know…both full of #*&#!

    Being a non-drinker, I can’t even blame it on alcohol! LOL!

    • ikabod
    • Posted August 3, 2009 at 2:24 pm
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    Apparently only “eliminating” so-called rich is is “OK”. Yeah Max I think your right, only when you hit that million mark does the body count register. I could almost here the arguments… “Hey it was ONLY 999999 deaths!”

  3. I thought it was funny until I saw what Diversity was doing, then I thought it was freakin hilarious. Good one.

    • wootabega
    • Posted August 3, 2009 at 8:54 pm
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    Can you please stop making awful political comics and actually use your fairly good drawing abilities towards something less inherently awful?

    • Donna C
    • Posted August 4, 2009 at 1:19 am
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    You know what they say about opinions and hind ends, wootabega. It would seem, in your case, that the former streams forth from the latter. Just an observation. =oD

    • Norman Hines
    • Posted August 4, 2009 at 6:29 am
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    wootabega: That’s what I thought about Garry Trudeau.

    • wootabega
    • Posted August 4, 2009 at 7:43 am
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    This isn’t an opinion. It’s a fact of life. Political cartoons are, by their nature, incredibly awful. They’re an even lower form of creative art than newspaper funnies.

    Please, I am begging you, you have some artistic talent, which puts you miles ahead of most other political cartoonists. Use your abilities for a better cause.

  4. There’s a big summer comedy in “Camp Guevara” just waiting to be made. And you know Ben Stein would have to be in it. Not that it would ever be made in Hollywood, of course!

  5. Glad you’re not a drinker, Donna. It takes a lot these days to stay off the booze.

    Ikabod: Or then again maybe the Left have no problem at all with the Che Guevara murder record, regardless of the over-or-under-a-million status. It’s hard to turn your back on an icon…

  6. Thanks a lot Chuck. Glad your comment was there to balance out wootabega’s.

    Thanks Donna for maintaining the toilet theme with that comment. I love when the feedback is well integrated with the post.

    Norman: And Trudeau can’t even draw well in compensation for producing those “awful political cartoons” (to quote wootabega).

  7. wootebega: Wow, are you self-confident! (“…this isn’t an opinion, it’s a fact of life.”)

    James Gillray’s political cartoons from the 19th century hang in museums across the globe and could not be purchased for less than several thousand dollars per piece, minimum. Political cartoonist Thomas Nast invented the concept of the Democratic donkey and the Republican elephant, as well as the jolly image of Santa Claus familiar to countless millions. (By the way he was a staunch Republican who purposely chose the elephant for its size, intelligence and strength.) Many other significant examples can be cited. Not that I compare myself to these masters; just pointing out that there exists a lasting, important legacy of political cartooning.

  8. Wesley: …and you’d be the perfect choice to script it! Hope my readers check out your delightful political parodies. Even wootebega might crack a smile since you’re a real writer and not an awful political cartoonist like me.

    • Donna C
    • Posted August 4, 2009 at 11:02 am
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    wootabega, I inquire of you, so evidently beyond our scope of intelligence as witnessed by your deigning to come here, much less share this “fact of life” with the likes of us…you’ve made it quite clear, your thoughts (which are not to be confused with opinion) on those who do find truth and enjoyment in “newspaper funnies”, much less something so vile as Zack’s talent…what cause, pray tell, would you deem worthy for Zack to apply his talent to?

    • ikabod
    • Posted August 4, 2009 at 12:42 pm
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    Wootabega, your going to have to deal with political cartoons as a voice of those who with there ability express themselves artistically. I have been a fan of political cartoons as far back as 1980, when my American History teacher introduced us to such artist as Paul Conrad, yeah Paul Conrad a liberal cartoonist that took his fair share of swipes against the likes of Nixon, Reagan and sometimes even the token liberal from time to time. I enjoyed his swipes at conservatives regardless. Pat Oliphant, part of the old guard of cartoonist at the New York Times. Again liberal in nature but their art is right up there with the meaning and poignant and biting critical analyst of the days current events. I could go on with others but they have escaped my memory. The thing is, they used their art for political reasons. Just like Liberals use victims and the so-called poor as political footballs. Its how they do things. Zack does this too and I can honestly say that his art is at if not above the former two I have mentioned. To tell Zack to use his powers for good instead of political evil is by in large trying to restrict someone from breathing. The bottom line is, Wootabega, again deal with it. Deal with the fact that there are folks out there with the artistic ability to piss people off, make them think and do this all with less than 30 words or less. The day people like you achieve the silencing the political artist of their craft is the day the Politburo starts sending artist like Zack to reeducation camps.

    Sorry, about this folks but when someone starts going after any political artist of any stripe and demands that they use their artistic craft for painting flowers and pretty naked maidens on horseback rather than biting critical commentary… It just makes me go off!

    Hmph!

    http://xroads.virginia.edu/~MA96/PUCK/part1.html

    • wootabega
    • Posted August 4, 2009 at 12:58 pm
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    All political comics are terrible, whether they be expressing liberal beliefs, conservative beliefs, or the beliefs of whatever other niche political alignments are out there. They are terrible and completely void of any value. If one comic happens to even be the slightest bit entertaining, it’s mostly because the comic itself is so horrible it actually becomes comedic in its complete horribleness.

    Normally I would wish all political cartoonists would just be killed because their abilities in both writing and art are completely nonexistent. But this particular cartoonist actually possesses talent in his art, so I am baffled as to why he dumps it all into the unforgivable abyss of political cartooning.

    Delve into realms of actual entertainment: movies, television, comic books, and more. All of these have places for talented visual artists that channel their abilities into true forms of entertainment. I beg of you, don’t waste another second. Please stop subjecting yourself to the tar pits of political cartoons.

    My qualm here isn’t with any viewpoints on social, political, or economical issues discussed in comics. No, my true concern with these comics is that they are terrible. I’m not for restricting people’s freedom of expression, I’m just for them not wasting their freedom on inherently terrible mediums of expression.

    • Norman Hines
    • Posted August 4, 2009 at 1:11 pm
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    Now who’s issuing death threats?

    Ikabod: It sounds like Wootabega is applying for the job of Kommendant of the artist’s re-education camp for political artists.

    • Donna C
    • Posted August 4, 2009 at 2:45 pm
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    Oh my woot…I am trying to believe you are being sincere, but…well, I’m just not buying it. There are a number of fatal flaws. The first being one of BarryBoy’s favorite sayings: “you can put lipstick on a pig…”. I would say that definitely applies to your lengthy commentary. The second being your seeming assumption that we’re too stupid to recognize your commentary for the truth you try to hide in puffery, etc. The third being your assumption that Zack’s talent is only being put to use in this cartoon, as opposed to other avenues, or those YOU egotistically deem to be more worthwhile. There are numerous other points to be made…and I’ve no doubt some here will do so, and likely more eloquently than I…but the biggest point to be made is the FACT that your commentary is nothing but opinion. There is nothing fact based in what you’ve said…your misfortune is in coming here with the assumption that we can be fooled into believing an opinion is fact, if repeated oft enough. That is insulting, though not surprising. As I have stated elsewhere on Zack’s site, as of the last time I checked, this IS still a free country (though BarryBoy and his minions are doing their best to eradicate 200+ years of it being a free republic)…and while you may feel it is perfectly okay to try and dictate whom can do what; or whom should apply their talents in a manner deemed “fitting” by far-reaching, egomaniacal, tyrannical wannabes…you simply have no right to demand such a thing, much less request it. And that pisses libs off.

    Please, continue to share your commentary…just be intellectually honest about your opinions, instead of deploying smoke and mirrors. They waste your time, and ours.

    • Norman Hines
    • Posted August 4, 2009 at 3:47 pm
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    Donna: I think Wootabega thinks that Jack can’t possibly BELIEVE the right-wing stuff about which he draws; nobody that talented could possible be one of those knuckle-dragging, mono-browed, patriotic SAVAGES from fly-over country!

    Everybody knows that all people with artistic talent simply must be progressive! Anybody who isn’t progressive simply must be ignorant or stupid.

    • Norman Hines
    • Posted August 4, 2009 at 3:47 pm
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    oops, I mean Zack.

    • Donna C
    • Posted August 4, 2009 at 3:54 pm
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    Exactly, Norman! Sure you haven’t been hitting the “Jack”? LOL! =oP

    oclol…you serve your side aptly, accurately and adeptly.

    • ikabod
    • Posted August 4, 2009 at 3:58 pm
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    Either this is a joke or a someone who truly needs help. Woot you have your work cut out for you. This quest to squelch the freedoms of artists such as Zack, at least for the time being is protected. “I’m not for restricting people’s freedom of expression, I’m just for them not wasting their freedom on inherently terrible mediums of expression.” Of course your not for restricting someone freedom of expression, because at the moment you can’t. Imagine a world where you where told where you talents would be best useful? No Woot Zack and people like him will continue to create their art. If it continues to upset you, the freedom of his expression is also the freedom of choice. Go somewhere else, and look at all the pretty pictures you want. Complain how Mr. and Misses backbone of the country is being subjected to the torrential rain of artistic depravity. Creativity awash in moral licentiousness. Pity the poor unwashed sinfulness of political cartoonist, yet that same time hope for their death. Yes Woot your attacks on Zack in the long run may help Mr. and Misses backbone to view art as it should be viewed, free of the mean-spirited social and neo political commentary. I’m sure you will be gladdened by the televised Political cartoonist being executed for daring to portray any of our leaders in anything BUT a positive light. Regardless of the political leanings, artist have a right to paint, draw and even with the aide of a computer create the political cartoons that have been just as prevalent as stuffing a ballot box. Zack and a handful like him are no doubt in some bunker deep within a mountain surrounded by subversive elements of who knows what. Ready to destroy the very fabric of our Constitution. Indeed Zack and his ilk have crossed the line between art and moral standards. How dare he! I’ll remember this the next time some wackjob uses fecal matter as art on the Virgin Mary.

    • wootabega
    • Posted August 4, 2009 at 4:09 pm
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    I don’t get where some of you guys are thinking I really care about the actual subject matter of his comics. I really don’t care about them. What I do care about are how completely awful political comics are just by their very nature. It’s as clear as abortion is murder, or how Universal Health Care would completely kill this country. If you can’t see this fact then I think you’re really beyond my help, or even any kind of real professional help that anyone in this wonderful country could give you.

    • Norman Hines
    • Posted August 4, 2009 at 4:26 pm
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    OK wootabega, what, exactly, is so “awful” about political cartoons? What is ‘their very nature” that is so bad? Please be specific.

    • wootabega
    • Posted August 4, 2009 at 4:36 pm
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    If you have to ask, you are beyond possibly understanding anything I would have to say.

    • Norman Hines
    • Posted August 4, 2009 at 4:56 pm
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    How dare you say I’m too stupid to understand your magnificent wisdom?

    Jake never said anything so insulting in our discussion under the previous cartoon.

    Zack, kick this punk off the list. He is persona non grata to me (wootabega, look it up).

    • Manuel Calavera
    • Posted August 4, 2009 at 5:27 pm
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    wootabega’s right. The guy can draw…. but he could make money off his talent by going in a different direction. There’s no reason to be hostile to him and assume he’s an “OBAMABOT” or whatever.

    • JimRob
    • Posted August 4, 2009 at 5:39 pm
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    Reminder that most all of this guy’s comics are “Liberals are the REAL racists!” and “HAHA LOOK AT THIS STRAWMAN I BUILT LOOK HOW DUMB HE IS”

    also weed smoking.

    Yea, this guy is a real talent being squandered.

    • Francis
    • Posted August 4, 2009 at 5:43 pm
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    This guy is great, sorry that like all great minds of our movement he’s getting attacked by Obama trolls.

    You should do a comic about the gay agenda next, I’d love to see your take on that!

    • JimRob
    • Posted August 4, 2009 at 5:44 pm
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    I’m JimRob and I love boners.

    • Donna C
    • Posted August 4, 2009 at 5:46 pm
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    It’s awfully presumptuous to suggest that Zack is only using his talent via Diversity Lane. And even if he is only using his talent in such a manner, is that not HIS right? It is, afterall, HIS to do with as HE sees fit…hence something else that pisses libs off: being unable to control that which they feel they should be allowed to.

    Insults have been slung; no matter how “prettied up” they have been, they are still insults. Yet we’re labeled “hostile”. Zack obviously enjoys creating Diversity Lane…and a great many people enjoy every aspect of it. Get over his use of what you deem “wasted talent”.

    Mind-boggling. Truly.

    • Donna C
    • Posted August 4, 2009 at 5:48 pm
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    And then there are those whom are incapable of forming rational thought, nor carry on respectful, productive dialogue.

    • JimRob
    • Posted August 4, 2009 at 5:52 pm
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    Yea we liberals hate freedom so much, who’s the party that still holds book burnings and imposes religious values on public institutions such as schools (Intelligent Design, Creationism, banning evolution) and marriage (NO FAGS ALLOWED)?

    Oh right, you guys.

    • wootabega
    • Posted August 4, 2009 at 6:07 pm
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    The issue here isn’t his “right” to use his talents on an awful medium, it’s the issue here is that…he’s using his talents on an awful medium. If he truly wants to continue to stroll down that path, I have no real way of stopping him. I’m just offering advice because I’d hate to see someone wasting such talents on such an awful creative platform.

    If you wish to continue, by all means do so. But when you end up suffering in the tenth circle of Hell, don’t say nobody warned you.

    • JDP
    • Posted August 4, 2009 at 6:08 pm
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    Does Zach have any other endeavors concurrent with Diversity Lane? I’d love to support his cause by purchasing a book or something.

    • wootabega
    • Posted August 4, 2009 at 6:11 pm
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    Also @Norman Hines:

    I never called you stupid. I just said with what you’ve already shown your stance to be, nothing I would have said to respond to your query would have been any effective to help you see from my point of view.

    Incidentally, my point of view also happens to be the truest.

    • Donna C
    • Posted August 4, 2009 at 7:37 pm
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    woot…you have displayed yourself yet again, with but a few words:

    “If you wish to continue, by all means do so. But when you end up suffering in the tenth circle of Hell, don’t say nobody warned you.” (Seriously…this all because Zack chooses to employ his talents in a manner you so clearly do not approve of?!)

    And…

    “Incidentally, my point of view also happens to be the truest.” (Your POV is also nothing more than miniscule, irrelevant opinion.)

    How DO you get your shirt over your head, in the mornings? Seek help.

    • JackTheTipper
    • Posted August 4, 2009 at 7:42 pm
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    *I think this art is really good.*

    *Gol’durn LIEberal*

    • Donna C
    • Posted August 4, 2009 at 7:56 pm
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    Whaddya know Zack…it would seem that onward’s boyfriend’s name is quite similar to yours…I’m not certain that we need the bedroom details of onward and his boyfriend Zach. Exhibitionism does seem to go hand in hand.

    • Donna C
    • Posted August 4, 2009 at 8:00 pm
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    YOUR CAPS LOCK IS ON. IT’S A BUTTON ON LEFT SIDE OF YOUR KEYBOARD. SAYS “CAPS LOCK”. HMMM, NOW THAT I THINK ABOUT IT…CAPS LOCK, LEFT SIDE, NEEDING ATTENTION, SHOUTING…A CONSPIRACY I TELL YA.

    • JackTheTipper
    • Posted August 4, 2009 at 8:25 pm
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    Actually, I don’t find this comic funny at all. Bulimia is a serious problem, and many young girls die from it all the time.

    Showing a young girl vomiting like that is no different than David Letterman attacking Sarah Palin’s kids.

    You’re a monster.

    • Donna C
    • Posted August 4, 2009 at 9:09 pm
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    ROFLMBOOOO!!! I think it would be quite different had Diversity been drawn making herself vomit. How long did it actually take you to come up with your feigned angry reply?

    • JimRob
    • Posted August 4, 2009 at 9:40 pm
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    Yo, Diversity looks like a tranny Dick Chenny as a kid.

    Of course this dude can’t draw any human figures, but he should really make his mouthpiece less of a frumpy and disgusting hag.

    • JimRob
    • Posted August 4, 2009 at 9:57 pm
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    Lookit them snaussage fingers on the dad.

    • Mark
    • Posted August 4, 2009 at 11:00 pm
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    Woot, I’d venture a guess you could replace Zach’s caption with any one of your posts and Diversity would have the same reaction.

    • JojosPoliticalCircus
    • Posted August 4, 2009 at 11:17 pm
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    Was Little Diverstiy leaving the bathroom when her father started reading to her, or was she trying to get her watch back from the toilet?

    When people tell me things that I don’t like it’d be real rude if I vomited, even with the door CLOSED!

    • wootabega
    • Posted August 4, 2009 at 11:23 pm
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    “Your POV is also nothing more than miniscule, irrelevant opinion.”

    This statement in itself is just a “miniscule, irrelevant opinion”, so I don’t really think you should be insulting me.

    • Donna C
    • Posted August 5, 2009 at 12:42 am
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    OIC woot. Your opinion is good as gold, and nothing less than incontrovertible truth. And those you don’t agree with are lacking in value. I’ve suspected all along that this was your modus operandi, clearly supported by your own commentary, regardless of the fluff you’ve attempted to disguise it with.

    I cannot help but to laugh at you, and how you attempt to use the very insult against me, that you accuse me of. How very incongruous to what you’ve tried to present yourself as, here. You’ve just revealed yourself for the impostor you are.

    • ikabod
    • Posted August 5, 2009 at 12:44 am
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    You would have thought the liberals had lost the election with the mass of pissed off liberal rubbish getting their 2 cents in about this one comic. Zack I think you have finally reached them!

    • Longfellow
    • Posted August 5, 2009 at 3:44 am
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    Damn, some touchy people up in here. I actually agree with woot that his art is good – it has a kind of 1950’s vibe that you don’t see much any more, and is a lot cleaner, sharper, and more expressive than the vast majority of other artists in political cartooning. The problem is that political cartooning is – whether conservative, liberal, or on the fence – little more than pandering to those that agree with you. It’s a waste of creative talent because it essentially becomes a pretty picture with no real message, because it’s only telling us what we already know.

    I am curious if Zack’s got any other projects though, and if he does I’d love to see them.

    • Norman Hines
    • Posted August 5, 2009 at 7:21 am
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    Wootabega: You continually say that political cartooning is BAD, and that’s the TRUTH, as if it were self evident. I asked you to explain, and you said that if you have to ask, you would never understand.

    Organic fertilizer! Because you are unwilling to explain what you mean by calling political cartooning BAD, I suspect you are incapable of explaining it.

    Lets pretend you are an art teacher and I’m your student. I’ve emptied by tea cup and am waiting for you to fill it. How would you teach me that political cartooning is bad?

    For one week during Philosophy 101 (many years ago) I was a Marxist. I got an A on that section. I can understand any point of view, which is vital if one wished to refute it.

  9. Thanks for the kind word about my drawings, Longfellow. I’m kinda private about the other side of my art output… maybe sometime I’ll drop you a line confidentially. BTW was just enjoying your epic verse, “Hiawatha.” How long did it take you to turn that out?

    Again, appreciate the friendly tone even if we might disagree totally on politics.

  10. Good luck Norman, Donna, getting anything like clear explanations out of wootabega. As we’re all observing he has a particularly creative attitude toward things like precise dialog and rationality. Is he a put-on? Or the originator of a new religion, virulently against political cartoons for intangible reasons as delivered unto him by his god? We may never know…

    • Longfellow
    • Posted August 5, 2009 at 11:49 am
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    And thank you for being civil Zack. Too many of your fellow political cartoonists are, to be frank, massive self-righteous douchebags. By the way, my previous address was just a filler, but I’ve added a functioning one for this comment. Or at least I hope it’s functioning.

    As for woot’s comments about political cartoons, I happen to agree totally with him. As I said above, political cartooning is almost without fail nothing but pandering to your own side, whichever that might be, with self-affirming half-truths, borderline slander, and trite cliches. And despite his artistic skill, Zack is just as prone to this as his fellow political cartoonists. Woot, as I am, is opposed to political cartooning primarily because it has almost completely become a meaningless exercise in intellectual masturbation in the past couple of decades. There are certainly some outstanding political cartoonists still working, but when the likes of Michael Ramirez (who is also artistically talented, but has been responsible for some horrifyingly xenophobic and, to be kind, highly misinformed cartoons) and Mike Luckovich can win Pulitzers, that says a lot for the state of the art.

    • Donna C
    • Posted August 5, 2009 at 1:13 pm
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    You know, Fellow, I can see the point you are trying to make, but if we’re going to go down that road of thinking, then explain to me how it does NOT apply to Andres Serrano’s “Piss Christ”? Or to the elephant dung Virgin Mary that ikabod brought up? And what about darwinfish.com use of the icthys in such ways?

    Pray tell…why are they touted as being “groundbreaking”, “heroic” etc? Why do they fall under the label of art, and touted as free speech? Yet Zack’s is “a waste of creative talent”. If ever there were perfect examples of “intellectual masturbation”, the above would qualify.

    The xenophobia you speak of can be directed in numerous directions…and oft back at self.

    • ikabod
    • Posted August 5, 2009 at 1:51 pm
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    Donna! “Piss Christ” and the “poopoo painting” is art! Art I tell you! Now I wonder if Zack did a art exibit if all the left wing dictators* and tyrants* where splattered with poop as well? Do ya think it would be considered art or…. Mean Spirited Hatred?

    *Mao.
    Che.
    Chavez.
    Castro.

    • Norman Hines
    • Posted August 5, 2009 at 2:49 pm
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    Longfellow, if that’s what wootabega meant when he said political cartooning is bad, WHY DIDN’T HE SAY SO?

    I asked him politely to elucidate his position, which you so plainly did, yet he replied that I could never understand. By the way, I do understand your position, even though I disagree with it.

    • Jake
    • Posted August 5, 2009 at 4:16 pm
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    Are Donna and ikabod reducing this discussion to “pee pee doo doo political comics are art”?

    Oh well, I’m going to resume convalescing. Hopefully I’ll be able to fully participate in debates again soon.

    • Donna C
    • Posted August 5, 2009 at 6:19 pm
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    Could you attempt to make any sense with your next post, Jake? And if you intend to participate in future debates, at least actually read what people post, so your comments have a chance of being sensible.

    • Jake
    • Posted August 5, 2009 at 10:13 pm
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    If you can’t understand my joke, there is very little I can do to help you. It is impossible to teach people to have a sense of humor.

    • Longfellow
    • Posted August 6, 2009 at 9:55 am
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    Donna, part of the crucial difference between the two – Piss Christ and Diversity Lane – is intent. If you can’t distinguish between the two, I really don’t know how to explain it to you. Personally I think Piss Christ was a pathetic attempt at grabbing headlines with shock value, but the thing is it wasn’t intended to be anything more than that. Political cartoons, generally speaking, are supposed to be aiming to show the folly of a particular viewpoint, challenge authority, or make an editorial comment on some aspect of the current political climate. Piss Christ, like the majority of modern art, was designed to provoke. Although if Zack himself wants to come out and say that he intends his cartoons to be capital-A Art, then I will happily reevaluate the relationship. Until then, what you’re saying is the equivalent of comparing an editorial column in a newspaper to a Dan Brown novel.

    • Longfellow
    • Posted August 6, 2009 at 9:56 am
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    Oh, and they were touted as “groundbreaking” and so on primarily because the modern art world is essentially creatively bankrupt and desperate for attention, but that’s an entirely separate argument.

    • ikabod
    • Posted August 6, 2009 at 9:57 am
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    When I use examples of art that was otherwise offensive in nature to a great deal of people, the reference points used where those of actual events. I didn’t degrade anything. You know better than that. What the hell are you doing up? Your going to get us all sick around here!

    • Longfellow
    • Posted August 6, 2009 at 11:26 am
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    On both semantic and syntactic levels, ikabod, I have no idea what the hell that last post of yours was even meant to say or who it was aimed at.

    • ikabod
    • Posted August 6, 2009 at 1:37 pm
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    I’m sure you don’t. I was referring to the post by Jake. One of the few level headed liberals around here.

    • Donna C
    • Posted August 6, 2009 at 8:51 pm
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    Do you seriously not see the irony, fellow, of liberals/etc becoming orgasmic over such art…yet being hyper-critical of Zack’s work? You say that it is “intent” that differentiates the two. I say that is a cheap out. You also suggest that political cartooning is ego-stroking, yet “Piss Christ” is provoking. Again, I say that is a cheap out. While there may be some political cartooning out there that are precisely what you suggest, the majority I have found to be extremely thought provoking, whereas the bodily wastes “art” rely purely on shock value.

    As for the modern art world, your analysis is 100%.

  11. Why is being conscious of the planet a bad thing? Should we just trash the place and hope that we luck out and science lets us find another planet we can deflower in the name of the freemarket?

    OOPS WE TOOK AWAY SCIENCE MONEYS NOW WE’RE STUCK!

  12. Koolaid: Nothing wrong with being planet-conscious per se, and I am a great one for donating to nature and animal causes. It’s just that the Left makes a fetish of it all, uses planet-consciousness as a replacement for consciousness of other vitally important things, makes something of a religion of it… and in this immoderateness they open themselves up to satire.

    • CajunCommie
    • Posted August 8, 2009 at 1:59 pm
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    Che Guevara is a hero to oppressed people of South America, who for a long time felt the boot of US “economic interest” whenever they tried to take bake land stolen from them by the likes of United Fruit, land that rightfully belongs to them by was stolen by American businessmen and maintained by American soldiers.

    He was brave enough to stand up to the imperial juggernaut of the US in the name of national sovereignty.

    • ikabod
    • Posted August 9, 2009 at 5:43 pm
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    Well sure Che was a great guy. The killing of innocent intellectuals, and other so called “enemies of the state”. Other than that, and being Castro’s thug, wonderful fella.

    • JackTheTipper
    • Posted August 10, 2009 at 3:46 am
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    “It’s just that the Left makes a fetish of it all, uses planet-consciousness as a replacement for consciousness of other vitally important things, makes something of a religion of it… and in this immoderateness they open themselves up to satire.”

    I always find it funny that, although conservatives are supposed to be the religious portion of American politics, they are always the first to attempt to demonize something by claiming that it is a religion.

    I would caution you that those of us on the left don’t find the idea of alternate religions quite as offensive as your average hardline conservative. So, if someone wanted to make a religion out of saving the planet, that would be perfectly fine with many if not all of us.

    In fact, if this hypothetical person worked half as hard to save the planet as the mass of world Christians work on converting everyone to their way of thinking, I’d say we’d be set for environmental protection lickety-split.

    On a side note, you are one of the better conservative cartoonists out there. Mike Lester or Joe Liccar are abominations to the practice of putting pen to paper.

    Unfortunately, your political commentary sounds like it comes from an Animaniacs cartoon. Which sounds like a compliment until you realize that that cartoon has been off the air for over a decade now?

    Basically what I’m saying is your diaglog strikes me as having been written by someone who wishes Clinton was still president. Who wishes that there was still a powerful left-leaning government to rail against. I mean Christ look at that father and tell me your schtick has changed appropriately with the times. The 1990’s called, they want their aging hipster back.

    Let’s face it, Obama has been in office for less than a year. If this was Bush we’d still be Pre-9/11 “Everybody thinks I’m my dad” phase. And his government has bent over backwards to get a bi-partisan consensus on everything.

    As my Comedy Lab professor was fond of saying in college: “When the little guy makes fun of the big guy, that’s comedy. When the big guy makes fun of the little guy, that’s oppresssion.”

    Sure the Dems have the majorities now, but they’re too weak-willed and ineffectual to actually do anything with it. That’s the true tragedy of being on the left. Watching for eight years while Republicans fist terrible legislation and policy up the country’s cornhole, and then watching for four years while the Democrats try in vain to clean that shit up while getting verbally bombarded with ridiculous accusations of tyranny.

    • JackTheTipper
    • Posted August 10, 2009 at 3:47 am
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    Ah who the hell am I kidding anyway. Palin/Piece of String in ’12!

  13. Yet more liberal bigotry. WHY do you lefties hate blacks?

    • ikabod
    • Posted August 10, 2009 at 9:45 am
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    Yeah, giving mortgage loans to those who could not afford them…. Purely Republican.

    Gotcha.

    • Liam
    • Posted August 10, 2009 at 11:40 pm
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    All of you that talk about Guevara like he was a murderer or a terrorist… it makes me sick. It really does. The US government has assassinated or overthrown an absurd number of democratically-elected leaders in both Africa and South America, because of “communism”. Then they installed harsh dictators that murdered their people and stripped their countries of labor laws and unions, so that US corporate interests could literally murder their workers and their workers’ families with total impunity, so that bananas can be sold in the United States with a slightly higher profit margin. Our lust for diamonds and gold jewelry has fueled the literal rape, pillage, and murder on levels greater than the Holocaust in the Congo for decades, and you sit in front of your computers talking about how Che was a murderer.

    Che was one of the people that fought back, but they’re the evil ones. The SONY Playstation 2 game console couldn’t be manufactured fast enough because the manufacturers couldn’t get enough coltan. Well, the Congo is rich in coltan, and the coltan mines are owned by militias, and the ore is mined by slave labor. We not only let murderers profit off of slave labor, but we paid them for it! We did it so that we could pretend that what they do is glamorous!

    But no, the United States is the good country. If the people of other countries had problems with being literally raped and slaughtered in the name of western decadence, they’d pull up their bootstraps and make it work on their own.

    How about a few examples to back up my claims. When the first democratically elected leader of the Democratic Republic of the Congo was elected, Patrice Lumumba condemned the western world for their indifference to and perpetuation of greater inhumanities and death tolls than the Holocaust. For this, he was assassinated, and now the DRC has been in an almost constant state of war since 1877.
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5027192261852823192&ei=BqBqSv_COaWUrALvltDRAg&q=assassination+of+patrice+lumumba&hl=en&client=firefox-a

    Or when Bayers (a US pharmaceutical company) couldn’t sell a vaccine in the US because it was tainted with HIV, so the FDA rejected it for sale. Then Bayers sold it overseas AND THE FDA HELPED THEM COVER IT UP. None of the people in the US have seen any sort of punishment.

    And I could go on, and on, and on. But I won’t, because apparently, Che Guevara is worse than they are. Just go here, it’s 3:00 AM and I’m tired.
    http://www.somethingawful.com/d/comedy-goldmine/most-evil-companies.php?page=2


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