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    • Steve T
    • Posted July 28, 2009 at 10:15 am
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    Zack – When the gut-level common sense from a kid trumps the feel-good “progressive” pablum of her lefty parents!
    I LOVE IT – and you can nearly see the high-altitude contrail over Allison, as it ‘goes over’ her head.

    • Jake
    • Posted July 28, 2009 at 10:18 am
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    I agree with this, in my own way. Obama is a center-right Republican in progressive clothing. He fooled those of us who wanted to see real progressive change brought to this country into voting for a bland right leaning moderate. I wish he was even remotely close to being as far to the left as you guys pretend he is.

  1. Voting to allow living babies who “accidentally” survived abortions to die alone on a metal table in a hospital laundry room (see this link: http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=18647 ) is plenty Left enough for me, Jake.

    • Jake
    • Posted July 28, 2009 at 10:37 am
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    I wonder how many pregnant Iraqis were killed during the war. So let me check abortion=left, blowing up babies=right, is that correct?

    • Steve T
    • Posted July 28, 2009 at 10:42 am
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    jake – a serious question for YOU…What does your comment have to do with Zack’s, ‘Turning the fables on Us’ -?

    I know it is a difficult question for you, but try to give a straight answer.

  2. Jake: Some innocent pregnant women, in the havoc of WWII, were accidentally killed by the Allies in the process of waging massive war against the Nazis and the rest of the Axis. Does that mean the Allied nations were wrong to take part in WWII– to combat Hitler, for example?

    • Jake
    • Posted July 28, 2009 at 11:04 am
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    Ooooh, Godwin’s law.

    When you know you are on the losing side of a debate, invoke Hitler. Well played Zack. I didn’t expect to win so quickly.

    Steve,

    Feel free to read my first comment in which I directly address how Obama deceived his supporters. Zack is the one who decided to start derailing the discussion of his own comic with petty nonsense. Perhaps your comment was intended for him.

  3. Jake: Instead of digressive “oohing,” why not just answer the question? If you like, let’s not use Hitler, let’s use Tojo (though, please bear in mind that the use of Hitler in constructing analogs should not exactly be discarded, simply because some have used it irrelevantly in past analogies). Now getting back to the issue at hand: Were the Allies right to battle fascist Japan, despite the loss of innocent life? Or would Dialog have been the proper route for Roosevelt to have taken after Pearl Harbor.

    • Jake
    • Posted July 28, 2009 at 11:26 am
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    Well, Japan attacked us. Iraq did not attack us. Your analogy seems less than apt.

    If, after Pearl Harbor, we went and attacked Mongolia because they happen to be a nearby Asian country, I doubt people would have felt it was justified.

    Feel free to create more inane analogies that do not apply to reality.

    • Norman Hines
    • Posted July 28, 2009 at 11:31 am
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    “Obama is a center-right Republican in progressive clothing”

    Keynesian economic stimulus funding every imaginable leftist dream, virtual nationalization of banking and the automotive industry, massive tax and control of energy production disguised as a cure for global warming, attempted socialization of health care. This is a center-right Republican?

    True it is closer to George W. Bush’s center-LEFT “compassionate” conservatism, which created the first new entitlement (prescription drug coverage) since FDR.

    • Jake
    • Posted July 28, 2009 at 11:32 am
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    If you step out of the right wing echo chamber that is this site, you’ll realize the center is quite far from where you believe it to be.

  4. But Islamofascist terrorism did attack us, Jake, and in fighting in Iraq we’ve inflicted grave damage to that virulent modern strain– just as our fighting in Hitler’s Germany (which did not directly attack us) helped to destroy that generation’s axis of evil.

    • Jake
    • Posted July 28, 2009 at 11:47 am
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    So, in order to combat “Islamofascism” we attacked a largely secular dictator in a nearby country and diverted manpower and other resources away from dealing with those who attacked us? I think finishing what we started in Afghanistan would have been a more intelligent and effective way to deal with Bin Laden.

    Oh look, our old pal Hitler is back.

    P.S. Unlike Saddam and Bin Laden, Germany and Japan were allies. Declaring war on Japan automatically brought us into conflict with Germany. Perhaps you should read a history book.

  5. Jake: RE: your blase attitude toward Hitler: Do you see him as an historical irrelevancy? That we can learn nothing from the person most responsible for the worst global conflagration the world has ever seen? Your offhanded dismissal of his significance is quite revolutionary as an approach to understanding history. Among other things, his mindset is being closely mirrored today in that of Iran’s Ahmadinejad.

    “…perhaps you should read a history book.” Are you incapable of sustaining a friendly conversation without resorting to hectoring or ad hominem attacks?

    • Jake
    • Posted July 28, 2009 at 12:41 pm
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    Are you incapable of sustaining a friendly conversation without resorting to labeling everyone and everything as “Hitler”?

    I think trying to compare everything to Hitler waters down his legacy. I feel that your inaccurate analogies are far more disrespectful to those who were affected by WWII than anything I have said. Comparing the unprovoked invasion of Iraq under false pretenses to defeating Hitler is incredibly insulting to those who lost their lives during the holocaust and WWII itself.

    I’d say that bandying about “Hitler” and using his name to construct intellectually lazy attacks against anything you don’t like is the real “blasé” approach to his atrocities. How can you expect someone to attach gravitas to his name when you make allusions to it to attack everything? Constantly throwing up “Hitler” in any debate will make him blasé.

    I think his legacy is so crucial to history that we should avoid conjuring him in every discussion and using him to make points that are not pertinent to WWII.

    You should show respect to those who were systemically killed at his hand and stop treating his name as a rhetorical device.

    • onward christian lol
    • Posted July 28, 2009 at 1:49 pm
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    Zach, your entire comic is based on ad hominem attacks

    • Norman Hines
    • Posted July 28, 2009 at 2:57 pm
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    Zack: “the person most responsible for the worst global conflagration the world has ever seen”? Hitler? Mao killed 100 million people, and Stalin killed 50 million. Hitler comes in 3rd, and Pol Pot came in 4th.

    But all four of the 20th Century’s worst mass murderers were Statist demagogues. Or is that an ad hominem attack on Mao, Stalin, Hitler and Pol Pot, OCL?

  6. OCL: An ad hominem attack consists of attacking an individual making an argument or claim rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or producing evidence against the claim. I attack what is called modern liberalism and/or Leftism in my cartoons, not specific individuals. When I criticise the president, Pelosi or others it is based on their ideas, directives or policies, not things like, say, their poor bowling skills or their odd appearances. These cartoons are overwhelmingly about ideas; thus they are the opposite of ad hominem attacks.

    • Steve T
    • Posted July 28, 2009 at 3:48 pm
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    Zack – your answer on right-on target however, the way the mushy-liberal mind works (namely you OCL), is that it sounds unfriendly, or ‘insensitive’… therefore, it means nothing…words mean nothing. Folks like Zack and me, are “hateful”, and other such mental pulp fiction.
    Why think in a critical manner (as God gave you a brain to do), when “feelings” are the easy substitute-?!?

    • Jake
    • Posted July 29, 2009 at 2:30 am
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    Yeah, the comics here are not ad hominems, they are poorly constructed strawmen. Ultimately, such strawmen are as lazy and intellectually shallow as ad hominems; however, they come with a thin veneer legitimacy that fools those who are unwilling to apply critical analysis into believing that a rational, well thought out point has been made.

  7. Norman: of course you’re right about the far greater bloodshed quotient of other Big Government-oriented dictators than Hitler, and I’m well aware of that (read, e.g., The Black Book of Communism); I was referencing the overall global expansiveness, quantity of nations affected, and widespread devastation involved in WWII (in addition to the unspeakably high loss of life, albeit not the highest emanating from a single dictator).

  8. Jake: Wow, you’re a real party animal! I hadn’t noticed earlier your vibrant underlying strain of lighthearted humor.

    • Melek
    • Posted July 29, 2009 at 6:23 am
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    Zack,

    As usual, excellent! I’m so glad that young Diversity has cleverly managed to develop ways of preserving her autonomy! You Go Girl!!

    I love Aesop … she should have Allison read the following fables: The Ass and His Purchaser; The Ass in the Lion’s Skin;The Crow and the Raven; The Dog in the Manger, and The Eagle and the Arrow.

    Zack, you may have no choice but to print a disclaimer on your site … Warning: Not recommended for those suffering from “cognitive dissonance” … which may be tough, since they might not know “who they are” or are just simply immune from truth, reason, and facts… LOL!!! 😉

    I wish you well 🙂 Melek

    “Purveyors of political correctness will, in the final analysis, not even allow others their judgments… They celebrate “difference,” but they will not allow people truly to be different — to think differently, and to say what they think.” ~ Mark Berley

  9. This is one of my favorites, Zack!

    I too would be wary to compare Obama to Hitler, just because of the genocidal correlation. But he’s definitely a fascist. Jonah Goldberg’s “Liberal Fascism” is thick but essential reading. The inclinations and governing styles of the world’s first fascists match Obama to a T. Problem is, way too many of my lib relatives and friends don’t get it! – or worse, don’t care.

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  10. Eric– Thanks, glad this one worked for you. Good point RE: the Jonah Goldberg book, it’s an excellent, closely-documented explication of the leftist/fascisti connection, an unimpeachable historical fact. BTW I never did and never would compare Obama to Hitler. Read the first four or five Comments under this cartoon and you’ll immediately understand the context for the Hitler discussion, in which I was simply arguing that the death of innocents in times of war does not in all cases negate the tragic necessity of waging war against forces of evil.

  11. Nice Aesop perspective, Melek, you are as usual a font of both knowledge and wisdom… our own Aesop or at least our own sage, with that neverending stream of clear-sighted observations and brilliantly chosen quotes both historical and contemporary. I have an Aesop collection and will revisit those fables you cite this afternoon.

    I like your idea of posting a “Warning” sign at the gates of my blog, but just as you say, the vast majority of Left-drenched visitors are ignorant of their own brainwash. Independent thought is hard to attain in a culture steeped in liberal-left spoonfeeding from Oprah to Katie Couric to Harvard.

    • Jake
    • Posted July 29, 2009 at 8:40 am
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    Yes, independent thought is best cultivated in the echo chamber comment section of a partisan political cartoon blog.

    • Guy
    • Posted July 29, 2009 at 10:23 am
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    Jake has a point. This is hardly “independent” thought. Zack, your comics are great, but they do tend to cast liberals very specifically, to such a point that there are few, if any, that would agree with the viewpoints your liberals espouse– the definition of strawman (or strawperson). Don’t get me wrong, I like coming here, and I find the comics funny, and provocative– sometimes you have to exaggerate to get the point across, but don’t get upset when someone points out the exaggeration.

    • Norman Hines
    • Posted July 29, 2009 at 11:26 am
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    This isn’t the echo chamber; this is the escape from the liberal O’Bama worshiping mainstream media echo chamber.

    Or, rather, this is the bright sunlit world outside the Cave Socrates described in Plato’s “Republic.”

    Jake, stop believing the partisan rantings on the LEFT, and abandon the Cult of Personality (listen to the song by Living Color; it was downright prophetic!)

    • Jake
    • Posted July 29, 2009 at 11:46 am
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    Yes, leave the partisan rantings of the left and join the partisan rantings of the conservatives. Abandon the Cult of Personality around Obama and join the Cult of Personality around Reagan.

    You are peddling the same biased, brainwashed garbage you claim to stand in opposition to. What you are proposing is not a release into daylight, it is merely a transfer to a different, and yet virtually identical, cave.

    • Norman Hines
    • Posted July 29, 2009 at 11:58 am
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    then what’re you complainin’ about?

    • Jake
    • Posted July 29, 2009 at 12:21 pm
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    What are you talking about?

    • onward christian lol
    • Posted July 29, 2009 at 12:41 pm
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    What’s with spelling it “O’bama”? Is he an IRISH African Muslim now?

    • Norman Hines
    • Posted July 29, 2009 at 1:10 pm
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    Jake: If we must live in an echo chamber, let’s live in one where the Truth is echoed instead of lies. Oh, that’s right, liberals don’t believe in the existence of objective Truth.

    OCL: I spell O’Bama’s name like that to remind everyone that he’s half white, and that no one in his family line ever felt the crack of the slave-driver’s whip (and to avoid spam filters). Maybe the next time we elect an African-American to the White House, we’ll elect an actual decendent of American slaves.

    By the way, I bought a book entitled “How the Irish Became White,” about how Irish immigrants overcome racist persecution in the US.

  12. Thanks Guy, I appreciate you dropping by. I actually don’t think I got riled over any accusations that I exaggerate; other things have gotten me peeved here, but I wouldn’t think that point would since I’m totally aware that my cartoons exaggerate (as do all cartoons). As for the straw man point, I wish these characters WERE unrepresentative of any actual liberals/leftists. I know several personally who have virtually inspired some of these zany goings on. I do think you may be referencing the “liberal” designation in your note; and it’s true, these really are more leftists than liberals. Sadly though, I see in our modern culture a great deal of blurring of the line between these two factions which once upon a time were markedly different.

    Stop in again sometime.

  13. Norman: “This isn’t the echo chamber; this is the escape from the liberal O’Bama worshiping mainstream media echo chamber.” Man did I need you to come through with THAT stellar observation. Thanks– your responses, as erudite as they are thoughtful, elevate the tone of this blog hugely. And, love that Irishism, “O’Bama” and your well-argued reasoning behind it. True outside-the-box thinking!

    • Jake
    • Posted July 29, 2009 at 8:23 pm
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    Norman,

    Insane exaggerations that Zack pulled out of some kind of fever dream have little bearing on truth. I like how you think being a brainwashed cultist is fine, as long as it is your cult. You wouldn’t know objectivity if it bit you on the ass.

    • onward xtian loldier
    • Posted July 30, 2009 at 9:26 am
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    What the fuck? How does Obama being half white (which you say like it makes him sub-human) make him Irish? Are you people insane? Do you even fucking read what you type?

    • Jake
    • Posted July 31, 2009 at 9:36 am
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    1. Who knows
    2. See 1
    3. Possibly
    4. Doubtfully

  14. Some of the commenters here certainly do prove the accuracy of your ‘toons, Zack.

    Your last three cartoons have been posted on “Monday’s Diversity Lane.” Thanks, and great work! 🙂


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