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    • eric
    • Posted November 21, 2009 at 6:08 pm
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    Yes the laftists would like to be called a bit ‘surreal’. Unfortunitly you can’t just turn off the bube.

    • Steve T
    • Posted November 21, 2009 at 8:04 pm
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    Something for Algore, and his fellow mind-numbed robots;

    “Some people just don’t want to be confused with facts that contradict their preconceived opinions or prejudices…”

    – Geoff Metcalf

  1. eric, Steve T: Have you guys seen this, fresh off
    American Thinker today?

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/11/the_evidence_of_climate_fraud.html

    If this is legit, Gore and his whole filthy, phony plot are history, or at least are in hot water. err, make that COLD water– oh, nevermind…

    • Steve T
    • Posted November 21, 2009 at 9:16 pm
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    One of many little factoids that shoots down the glo-bull warming hoax;

    Water vapor (humidity, for our troll culture) has fifteen times (15x) the radiant heat retention properties (green-house effect), as does carbon dioxide.
    This can be verified in a book of physical & chemical properties.

    Time to air condition ALL the tropical zones-!

    • wootabega
    • Posted November 21, 2009 at 9:41 pm
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    Ah yes, yet another compelling argument against global warming. If the world is getting warmer, then why is it cold outside?

    Why does Al Gore even try? Ha.

  2. Make sure you check out that link I posted, wootabega. Read well, then report back. You may be shocked; we’ll understand if we don’t hear from you for a while.

    • wootabega
    • Posted November 21, 2009 at 11:07 pm
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    I tried to Zack but when I clicked on that site and then saw those amazing T-Shirts and Hats in the Merchandising department I just can’t look away.

  3. Well said, Zack, and the others.

    But IF this whole bruha IS real (and we’ll have to see) then it will be interesting to see if this is truly a hack job from the outside, OR if it is, say, a WHISTLEBLOWER scenario.

    That sorta thing happens, ya know.

    In any case, it will also be interesting to see what RealClimate coughs up in response.

    I am personally not qualified to say if this is statistically meaningful a naysay just yet.

    We’ll see.

    As usualy, Zack, great cartoon on liberal pieties vs. real world priorities.

    PS–where’s the rest of the provisional liberal peanut gallery that likes to throw turds at the cartoonist here, as well as everyone else?

  4. Wootebega–now THAT was funny, I have to admit.

    Yeah, the T-shirts are nice too…

    …lots of pretty pictures for the kids…

    • Big Money
    • Posted November 22, 2009 at 12:39 am
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    This is the laziest possible anti-global warming joke.

    “How can we have global warming when it’s cold outside?”

    http://ifglobalwarmingisrealthenwhyisitcold.blogspot.com/

    Haha, you’ve even done this joke before yourself. Shameful.

    • Thomas R
    • Posted November 22, 2009 at 1:39 am
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    Ah yes, it is now cold outside so Global warming doesnt exist.

    Incedently does this mean summer is confirmation of global warming?

    • Thomas R
    • Posted November 22, 2009 at 2:11 am
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    Oh and since we’re on the subject, didnt you do the exact same ‘joke’ last year?

  5. Thomas R– That “it is cold outside” on a given day or in a given cartoon has nothing to do with the illegitimacy of the Manmade Global Warming sham; what gives the lie (to thinking people) is that there are, annually, record colds set all over the globe every year (up to and including this year already), in the very midst of what is being promoted by Democrats as a “dire warming trend.” Remember “The Emperor’s New Clothes”? The fable was written to direct people not to believe lies that are so vast and so scandalously over-promoted that the more sheeplike among us (like you) might see the idiocy of believing what reality clearly demonstrates to be false.

    Also: as long as the Democrat Party and the Left persist in THEIR joke (“Manmade Global Warming”), I will be forced to revisit the concept myself time and again. What you need to do is complain about retreads to Al Gore and the rest of your glittering pantheon of mentally ill demigods.

    Wakefield– thanks, I’m glad you liked this one. As you say, we’ll see where this leads… but I cleave to the commonsense reality that where record colds, even possibly an overall COOLING trend, are being recorded globally, Manmade Global Warming is not to be taken seriously. Notoriously, 30 years ago Newsweek’s cover article posited a coming Global Cooling, which failed utterly to pan out; sadly, the state of Big Media is such today that an hysteria like global warming can gain far more of a foothold than in previous generations. Check out The Dennis Prager Show (available online) or his columns for brilliant ongoing insights into this most massive fraud in human history.

    • Manuel Calavera
    • Posted November 22, 2009 at 5:53 am
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    C’mon Zack, leave the “heh, global warming. It’s COLD outside!” to other artists. As we’ve said before, you’ve got talent. Leave the tired retreads to the McCoy brothers, or any other terrible (in terms of quality, not necessarily views) artists. They can churn em out and make their quick buck at it while you make something that’s actually pleasing to look at.

  6. Manuel: the most wide-reaching hoax in the modern world– “Manmade Global Warming”- is not something that I think should be “left to other artists” to cover (though, thanks for the kudos). Also, be sure to read the reply I made to Thomas R, above; this cartoon and others along these lines speak to very much more than “it’s cold outside, heh, some Global Warming, heh” and other attempts at minimalizing such cartoons. They speak to the frightening blindness to reality we’re witnessing on an unheard-of scale: the blindness by the liberal/left world to the now established reality that the planet– OVERALL, not just anecdotally– is not getting any warmer at all, contrary to the left’s claims from dusk till dawn over the last 15 years that the planet is getting warmer. The joke in my drawing is simply a microcosm or condensation of this reality.

    • wootabega
    • Posted November 22, 2009 at 10:08 am
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    “Oh and since we’re on the subject, didnt you do the exact same ‘joke’ last year?”

    Twice, actually.

    http://diversitylane.wordpress.com/2008/12/20/snow-job/

    http://diversitylane.wordpress.com/2008/10/18/liberal-science-coldwarm/

    The title of the last comic is literally “Liberal Science: Cold = Warm”.

  7. wootabega, Big Money: No, never used this joke before; I have not mentioned Rod Serling previously at this blog. The subject– the liberal self-evident hoax of Manmade Global Warming– is of course familiar, but any journalist, commentator or cartoonist would be remiss to cover a prominent news item but one time only in his career. Even the spokesmen on your side, hucksters and shams though they be, repeat their points, and do so a good deal more regularly than I (like, maybe, daily?) For example your demigod Al Gore has covered his material– i.e., “the scary terror! of imminently rising oceans! that will engulf us all! unless liberals are given carte blanche to rewrite the world’s economies and infrastructures, quick!!”– more than once in his speeches, I believe.

  8. 1) This is a tired joke. Looking at “Global Warming” solely as “well is it cold outside sometimes?” and ignoring that the record colds accompany record highs, unseasonably warm/cold patches, demonstrably shrinking ice caps, etc. etc. etc. is like arguing against the notion of a recession because there were a ton of people buying stuff at Costco this weekend.

    2) I am not entirely sure why evidence that one organization falsified some indeterminate set of data means that all data is false. FOX News has repeatedly “accidentally” shown footage of large numbers of people at [Conservative Rally X] when that footage was actually from [Conservative Rally Y]. Is this just more proof that NO ONE EVER WENT TO THESE RALLYS? Of course not. It hurts the credibility of Fox News, but it hardly topples the entire conservative movement, does it?

    3. Really people, you can’t complain about ORWELLIAN DOUBLESPEAK and how the liberals have corrupted our language and made us use possessive apostrophes (any followup on that, Steve?) and then proceed to willfully go DEMOCRAT PARTY DEMOCRAT SENATORS DEMONRAT DUMMYCRAT BLAARRRRRRRGH.

    The latter ones are just childish nicknames, which I accept as a fact of life reading conservative blogs. But the “Democrat Party” thing is just baffling. Is it supposed to be mean? Do you secretly wish everyone talked about fear-mongering Republic Talking Points and another Republic Sex Scandal?

  9. To Zack

    Yeah I got Emperors new clothes but shitty metaphors impress me not.

    “record colds set all over the globe every year”

    Which parts, by whom and sources? Oddly you’ve stumbled into a paradox here as one of the main criticisms of global warming is that theirs not adequate data on the world temperature history to make a valid observation so I’m assuming you’re going with the ‘liberal’ (more on that later) that their is enough data to come to conclusion-you just disagree on which way the wind is blowing:ahem:

    “(like you) ”

    You regurgitate right wing talking points with neither individual analysis nor subtlety, Furthermore your views on global warming are spoon-fed to you by your chosen media sources as opposed to genuine scientific Empirical study in short you don’t believe because its built into your artificial construct to do so (if I was feeling cruel I’d so far as to suggest you’re simply holding this view to be contrarian to liberals) so I would not recommend calling anyone ‘sheep’.

    “as long as the Democrat Party and the Left persist in THEIR joke

    AND the majority of the scientific community AND numerous other political groups AND multiple political movements on both the left and right world wide AND members of your own party (hence why framing this as Left thing makes your views a joke) etc etc etc

    “I will be forced to revisit the concept myself time and again.”

    So you’ll be producing the same weak joke next year with a slightly altered premise?

    I always like to say good things so I’ll conclude with a compliment, your art and attention to details is excellent and you didn’t uniquely enough include Al Gore although you did mention him in your dubious defense.

  10. We’ll just have to agree to disagree, Thomas R. Bundle up well this winter, it’s bound to be yet another fiercely chilly one in these Warming Days. And don’t stray too close to those ocean shorelines! -lest you be swept away by the scary rising sea. [shreiks of fear and old horror-movie score in the background, coupled with the distant bleeting of sheep]

  11. Thomas R might be right to some small temp gradient “degree” (so to speak) after all is said and done.

    Good to have his noted expertise on board, or at least the funny business of surveying the Net for “bad webcomics.”

    I’ll puruse the Net some more later to see if that is the proximate antidote to all these furrowed brows about the BS factor now emanating from what USED to be a respected Brit institution–that just got busted cold.

    While this does not necessitate Gorian/Copenhagian/Obamian and draconian government control of the economy along the lines of what dufi like Tom Friedman insists will be necessary, let’s offer the possibility that Zack is off his rocker. And that record cold means nothing more than the record “heat” that always get bumped around the Slipstream Media like pinballs.

    OK–then what?

    I notice the Greens love to piddle and dicker with biofuels, chicken crap, and windmills farms (which have killed about 40 people in the last decade, compared to nuclear power, which has killed zero in the US) but hate nuke power (for the most part) and have little to offer but tax scams and carbon demonization when the solutions to “global warming”, such as it may still be after all this discovery of trickery is hashed out.

    The suspicion and most likely very real danger here is that while there might be some small salt grain of truth that the Malidive Islands will go away in the year 3500, this is hardly the reasoning the Left has for micromanaging human life and turning the global economy from bad into a pauper’s grave.

    Interesting: It used to be the Left critiqued capitalism for allegedly leading the average Joe to the poorhouse with only his children as his wealth–thus the term “Prole”, for Proletariat. Realizing they lost the battle for man’s heart when socialism and all the other forms of government or centralized planning fell flat and turned hundreds of millions of human beings into serfs–or maggot fodder–the Left switched tactics in recent decades to declare that freedom and capitalism and individualism are a threat to the ecosphere.

    You guys never give it up, do you?

    Whatever the the next move by the Milli Vanilli Nobel manchild in the White House on his I’ve Got a Plan for You World Tour, what is for certain is that his allies in Anita Dunn and Tom Friedman and other little Mao-skiteers praising the stern but wise counsel of Red China’s method of authocracy in dealing with “Global horsecrap Warming” should at least be a warning caution light to all concerned.

    IE–the cat is now out of the bag behind the real agenda for all this every bit as much as the recent hack-net job told us the methodology of how the experts lie to us.

    However: When it turns hotter than the fires of blue hell here in Columbia next summer (and writers from the South have always indicated it was thus) you CAN be QUITE sure that it will be once again indicative of …”global warming.”

    Zack, do you ever get tired of the peanut gallery not understanding the word “context” in such matters?

    Must be tiring.

    I don’t see how you put up with it.

    As to allegations of talking points pulled from someone’s “wing” this or that, I noted a few nods to the repulsive George Soros’ sockpuppet, also known sometimes as a website called “RealClimate”, being tossed around.

    That guy IS a piece of work. The world of “science” CAN have some interesting preordained findings if your pockets are plump.

  12. when the solutions to “global warming”, such as it may still be after all this discovery of trickery is hashed out.

    Meant to add:

    “when the solutions…..are right before us in plain site in nuclear power.

    Carbon free!

    In other words, if the Bambi administration were serious about this, and REALLY thinks that government bullying and power and prestige and needed to bear down on all this Globaloney angst, then he’d push for a national energy policy that, as with the French, pushes nuclear power rather than an internationalist/UN take that has carbon cap-n-trade mess of which the only effect is higher fees to the end consumer and massive loss of production and the resultant unemployment.

  13. Wakefield: “Milli Vanilli Nobel manchild ” -brilliant. If I but had the time to design a new logo for The One to replace the cliched sunrise-in-a-circle (or was it a sunset?) I’d do one for that fine nickname.

    The naysayers are a tad tedious, but I never was one to hang with the In Crowd, mingle with the Popular Set at school, etc. Am fine being a fairly independent thinker, i.e. questioning the mainstream media and it’s innumerable advocates; and it’s only to be expected that I would be denounced by the mainstreamers who actually buy the prognostications by the likes of Oprah, Katie Couric and the rest of that arid thought-world.

  14. Wakefield, seriously, is OBAMA some sort of neurolinguistic sigil that frightens you? Are you afraid to write the name of the president, lest you say it three times and he appear out of the mirror like Candyman?

    I mean there are other issues with your “counter what I consider scare tactics with a different set of scare tactics that have no basis in fact” but I can’t get over the silly namecalling. Why are you conservatives DESTROYING THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE LIKE GEORGE ORWELL HIMSELF WOULD BE PROUD OF? I mean it was funny when everyone seemed to think the concept of Czars was communist, but now it’s just grating.

    • Wakefield Tolbert
    • Posted November 22, 2009 at 1:36 pm
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    Chris E.

    No, I have no talismanic fear of using anyone’s proper name. Though I’ll note I get more grief for mine that I’ve ever given to others in the same regard.

    So no, while President Obama is not a term that has me totally nonplussed and locked in catatonic fear, I’ll not that the foreign policy initiatives of the narcissist-in-chief on his global apology tour are rather a risky way to bring us to the Post-American moment, and thus Bambi might be better. And certainly this constantly self-referential prez noted more for his own self-image than the nations, can at LEAST provide a little levity now and then.

    NO?

    This is a time, after all, when gallows humor should stand proud and tall. Cuz right now we need the laugh.

    Even Orwell, AKA born a one Arthur Eric Blair, new the value of handy titles that gave more mileage to the meaning.

    As well a touch of humor that at least I’ve kept more in line than McCain/MILF and George Monkey Bush and BUCK FUSH stickers.

    And when it comes to the destruction of the King’s English, no side does it better (God, where to begin…geez..how many chapters can the blog hold….?) I’d say a MUCH better example would be the INTENDED meaning of things libs say vs. humorous asides from powerless people like me.

    So far more dangerous is when that idiot Reid and Nancy Egg Eyes tell us with a straight face–as does Obama–that “a little healthy competition” means NOT a reform of…oh….say…tort litigation, or state laws that limit insurance choices…but rather…government taking control of ALL of health care by basically using fees and threats of jail and/or fines to force compliance and then taxing the Big Bad Wolfy insurance carriers at 40%?

    That’s the “competitive” edge that will make Blue Cross competitive with the allegedly “free” stuff from the government’s bounty?

    Yeah….RIGHT….

    Of course it’s all bluster, like a collard lizard making his hiss sounds and faux frilly things sticking out.

    Government historically has NEVER allowed competition. I’ll go ahead, though, and ask the Post Office workers making 80K a year for tossing paper around, or the NEA regarding privitization, and good money says they won’t be laughing at my little El Joko.

    Orwell indeed, Nancy’s Boys.

    ..and I do thank you for reminding me to bring that up again.

    • Wakefield Tolbert
    • Posted November 22, 2009 at 1:39 pm
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    Zack.

    Thanks for the response.

    Just to be sure here about one tiny little item regarding what may or MAY NOT turn out to be Climate Gate. We don’t have the full monty here just yet on this being Al Gore’s blue dress, so to speak.

    Just to be sure here:

    Keep in mind this is WAY premature.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/21/science/earth/21climate.html?scp=1&sq=hacked%20emails&st=cse

    I finally got around to reading the whole article beyond the excerpts over coffee a few moments ago:

    Seems that the world “trick” was used colloquically as in “method” of making the data more readable, not necessarily an intentional misrepresentation of the numbers, though at this level that’s certainly possible.

    The situation IS now confirmed as real for the hacking part, but as the issue of collusions and misrepresentations?

    That’s…well…..even trickier…

    J. Patrick Michaels and some others might be calling this a “mushroom cloud” even more than a “smoking gun”, but to be honest the evidence of that is looking thin so far.

    As it was explained in the article over at the NYT by the interviewees who plainly admit they got hacked, (paraphrasing from memory) “Newton was an ass, but he was also right”, meaning that while some of the email commentary was disparaging of the skeptics, this is not the same as saying the AGW proponents’ theories and therefore wrong.

  15. No really, it’s childish. It’s childish when liberals do it too. To compare it to George Orwell using a penname (or George Orwell doing anything, really) is just sad.

    If you were really trying to construct some sort of grand critique, you wouldn’t flutter between a dozen different nicknames for one person. It’s not as if Orwell published books under George Orwell, George O’Smell, Eazy-E Blair, Georgey Porgewell, Porridge Oh Well, Fatty Fatty Two by George, Poors to Hell, Cross-Eyed Eric, Brownshirt Thug Orwell, Egg-Nose G, etc.

    Pick one or just grow up. Jesus.

    • dk
    • Posted November 22, 2009 at 1:50 pm
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    Global warming?

    It’s currently unseasonably warm outside.

    Oh wait, that doesn’t fit with your retarded meme and complete failure to understand that weather and climate are NOT THE SAME THING.

    • wootabega
    • Posted November 22, 2009 at 2:53 pm
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    Haha, nice link dk. Why don’t you try giving us some sources that aren’t plainly under the sway of the liberal media? Try again, lib-tard.

  16. dk–no one said or implied that climate and weather are the same thing.

    Thanks again for parroting George Soros, and being yet another of his dependable (if unpaid) sock puppets; I’m sure he appreciates the efforts that free up his funds for other ways of getting more government into our lives.

    Kudos on the hot tip.

    Chris E.

    Pick one or just grow up. Jesus.

    You talking to me or Jesus now?

    I am well aware of pen names vs. nicks and other kinds of monikers. I did not come here for Miss Daisy’s grammarian expertise.

    Of which, having said that, I should note you might check into the wonderful and powerful realm of “context.”

    When you do, you’ll see that Orwell’s main concern was not so much funny monikers and “Georgie Porgie” type stuff, which poets and writers have also used (I should note as well) but RATHER the abuse of the English language in whole paragraphs and statements and hot air pronouncements from politicians and others who deem themselves our rarefied air superiors.

    Having said all that, it’s shaping up to be rather COLD outside right about now where I’m at.

    Of course, that means nothing.

    And we’ll keep in mind this weather/climate dichotomy I’ve seen now and for which I wish I had a dime for every moment of this stuff, when this summer it is hot as the fires of hell outside and this WILL in point of fact be used to push global warming scaremongering and carbon taxes and other forms of glop.

    I don’t know why I bother anymore other than the fact maybe the TV went on the blink and the other places on the Net are devoid of cheap entertainment as this from Zack’s unappreciative peanut gallery. Geesh.

    It’s like trying to make full humans from the hybrid beasts using the raw rules in The Island of Dr. Moreau

    Fool’s errand, at best.

    • Big Money
    • Posted November 22, 2009 at 3:02 pm
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    I’ll have you know that Soros pays me very well for my posting.

  17. ..and while this link festival heating up is interesting, dk, it leaves us utterly bereft of real solutions that don’t involve idiots in Congress finding new ways (even assuming you’re right) of micromanaging people and destroying the economy.

    On the plus side (should we call it that…) I must say that I admire the tenacity of pols and punks alike designing yet new ways of turning the US into what will be the world’s freshest and cleanest Third World Nation.

    http://www.fumento.com/environment/climate.html

    Might want to remind the Chinese and Europeans of your newfound pieties.

    The first ones are putting a new coal plant online about every 10 days, on average, and the latter are mostly hypocrits on the whole carbon emission thing:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/28/AR2005062801248.html

    Also, dk, remember that the trending you’re spotting may very well be real, but apparently did not come all that much to the attention of these hacked out scientists–as they themselves were pondering, as Zack alluded to, the reasons behind what appears to be flatlined temps and even cooling trends.

    That’s in the now authenticated emails as well.

    Make of it what you please. Common sense can help too.

  18. I’ll have you know that Soros pays me very well for my posting.

    Most unlikely. Not good enough of a liar, and far too canned.

    • dk
    • Posted November 22, 2009 at 4:19 pm
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    Poe’s Law in full effect on this blog.

    I can’t tell who’s a parody troll and who’s being serious.

    • Manuel Calavera
    • Posted November 22, 2009 at 6:38 pm
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    Nice Candyman line Chris, tho I doubt Obama is made of bees.

    • ikabod
    • Posted November 22, 2009 at 9:42 pm
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    You know the earth changes are serious when the ho’s are gaining in number:

    http://apnews.myway.com/article/20091122/D9C4RM3O1.html

    I wonder what the carbon offset would be for BJ? Hmmmm gotta look at my own CO business.

    YOU WANT TO MAKE MONEY! WANNA BE YOUR OWN BOSS? FROM THE COMFORT OF YOUR OWN HOME, AND SAVE THE ENVIRONMENT? SOUND IMPOSSIBLE? ITS NOT! HI BUD NICKER HERE FOR THE CARBON OFFSET MONEY MAKING SYSTEM……..

    Good times!

  19. “We’ll just have to agree to disagree,”

    Perhaps but apparantly being a condecending prick is a part of this agreeing to disagree. Mine eyes rolled so far back at the rest of your post I’m afraid I’ll never see lefty (oh noes a left eyeball-he’s only staying their becouse he hates my country!) again

    O and stay classy Wakefield Tolbert I’m your mastery of sarcasm can pick up what I’m saying their?

  20. “I could parrot liberal arguments, but I choose to parrot Republican talking points, which proves I’m an independent thinker.”

    • Longfellow
    • Posted November 23, 2009 at 6:26 am
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    “Bundle up well this winter, it’s bound to be yet another fiercely chilly one in these Warming Days. And don’t stray too close to those ocean shorelines! -lest you be swept away by the scary rising sea.”

    My word Zack, that is way more vitriolic than usual from you, not to mention ignorant (before any of the regulars grab this one and run with it, might I clarify that I mean “ignorant” in the sense of lacking knowledge, not in the colloquial sense of “stupid”). Apparently the world is hemispherical and I hail from the magical land of Narnia. I would suggest you ask the people of Australia how chilly it’s been recently, or the populations of any Polynesian nation how safe their coastlines are looking. The fact it’s currently winter in the United States does not in fact mean that the entire world is cold, unless the world is in fact hemispherical and I am mere miles from falling off the edge.

    Then again, if global warming is real, why is it cold outside in a relatively geographically limited section of one half of the globe?

    • wootabega
    • Posted November 23, 2009 at 8:29 am
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    Longfellow, don’t you know the U.S. is the only place on the planet that matters? It’s the bastion of freedom! No other place on Earth has freedom, so who cares about Australia or Indonesia or Transylvania or whatever else?

    • Wakefield
    • Posted November 23, 2009 at 9:45 am
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    Ikabod, it won’t end at whoredom being caused by global warming. That’s laughable, but it gets better:

    http://www.numberwatch.co.uk/warmlist.htm

    Global warming now causes…well…just about everything bad, it seems.

    As to sources, while the jury is still out, it seems that the numbers boys have some ‘splaining to do, LUCY!

    It’s not about “right wing” sources or left wing sources–it’s about agendas that use hyperbole, as the link above showed, to push crap on us. And if the wuzzy-wuzzy wuttle polar bears, which have been known to skin and gut Inuit natives in front of their relatives, are REALLY in danger (they are not, incidentally), then STILL the proximate solution is not carbon demonization and Captain Cap-n-Trade and his merry band of tax scammers that will impoverish businesses at home while the Chinese whistle along with a new coal plant every 10 days on average.

    Of course. Fair enough, eh?

    And what’s a little fudging of data to make the numbers fit and the charts make the best use of those PURDY colors for the ignorant rednecks still itching to hop in their trucks to go hunting?

    I guess when the “Earth in the Balance” is what’s at stake, we can justify the oversimplification and fudgy-wudgy of all this, and move past all those old-fashioned, fuddy-duddy, fusspot tickyness rules on the numbers.

    That’s not exactly ethical, but then this IS the age of Government Knows All, and I suppose we DO need to trim the edges and cut some corners here and there to make people see the lightning flashes from Mount Sinai.

    And while hypocrisy on other fronts is nothing new to this same crowd of Greenies, it should be pointed out that the betterment of mankind and Gaia will be better for the wear if we at least acknowledge the lying going on.

    No?

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/28/AR2005062801248.html

    Yeah–we got some “new” ethics here in science, where as wacko Stephen Schneider once said (paraphrasing) it’s time to make up scary stories and oversimplify the situation, and that all of us (in the Movement) have to decide the right balance between the truth and EFFECTIVENESS.

    People used to still get FIRED for this kinda thing, ya know….

    However: Truer admission not spoken since then from guys like Schneider.

    One wonders:

    With all the emphasis that just HAPPENS to be what the international socialists wanted in the way of govenment micromanagement of the economy, that the greens don’t go for nuclear power as the rock through the greenhouse window IF this were a true emergency?

    Could it be the handy retort from them is that the “emegency” status of all this warming means they have a virtual green light (so to speak, and pun intended) to FUDGE the data??

    Or, more likely, the data so fudged is not about solving a damned thing, but rather is about CONTROL.

    I noted recently to another blog that it is the suspicion of some that this is just continuation of previous notions that fell flat and need new life in the Marxian notions of internationalist control. What better way these days of pulling in more revenue to government glop, than to proclaim Man himself–or his production–is a threat to the very Ecosphere?

    In the past, the Socialists told us that socialism would outpace and outproduce the West’s capitalism and that capitalism would lead us all to the poorhouse.

    The opposite took place, and it was socialism that led people–whole societies–to beggary other than the ruling elite, and to virtual serfdom.

    When their promises of whipping the West fell flat, they now turn to the strategy of telling us that capitalism is evil for another reason entirely.

    Could it be that these jackals have finally grown wise enough to comprehend that they can now project into the future their notions of what will happen under advanced Euro-socialism, and seek to soften us up by expecting and thus getting less in the name of Mother Earth?

    Now we’re told capitalism hurts cute little polar bears, makes more whores in South Asian nations (what’s the carbon tax going to be on Yum Yum jobs, I wonder??) and makes your mother-in-law more aggrevated than usual.

    El Weako, Chico.

    • Wakefield
    • Posted November 23, 2009 at 10:20 am
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    http://wakepedia.blogspot.com/2007/08/stroll-through-global-warming-garden.html

    In any case, the benefits of a warmer world probably outweight the negatives and all the allegatiosn of bad oysters, gender-bender fish, and more whores in Malaysia.

    Also, it’s about time to get rid of PC-ism in climate science, which is what the latest expose was really about after all is said and done.

    It’s worse than just the lying about the numbers these jackals engaged in. It’s about ideology:

    http://wakepedia.blogspot.com/2009/06/no-shirt-no-shoes-no-pc-ism-no-service.html

    • Steve T
    • Posted November 23, 2009 at 11:51 am
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    ChrisE-
    Your defective integrity is showing AGAIN – you are fabricating fantasy quotes;
    “NEA brainwashing children to accept homos by using possessive apostrophes” [?]

    >> I NEVER POSTED THIS-!… you pathetic little punk, and you know it!

    What happened in your early childhood, where you now rationalize that LIEING through your teeth is the only effective means to debate a political issue-?

    Perhaps my question is slightly premature, as your ‘early childhood’ is not yet complete, and experimenting with being a LIAR is still your idea of fun, and convenient exploration-?

    Your shameless sub-culture cannot debate anything on the merits of the issues, you are incapable of original thoughts (you plagiarize expressions), and just like the Palin attack-dogs, the Newt Gingrich attack-dogs, you distort, misquote, and fabricate according to a very typical liberal-left template.

    Am I living in your pusillanimous bitter mind, rent-free-?
    I sincerely do not prefer such roach-motels, with the variety of viral sewage so common everywhere.

    Growing up for you will be uncomfortable, but theoretically, you can do it.

    In the unlikely event you begin being more of a truthful person, I will get you a coupon for the book;
    ‘Character Development for Dummies’.

  21. Steve….you have issues seek help before you become that guy who shot up a church becouse of all the ‘damn liberals’.

    • Steve T
    • Posted November 23, 2009 at 12:53 pm
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    From the cover of Al Gore’s new book, “Our Choice.”

    See:

    http://vocalminority.typepad.com/blog/2009/11/pop-science-quiz.html

    Pop Science Quiz
    OK, kiddies, time play an old favorite. Here’s a picture of the planet Earth:

    So far so good.
    Now look at this photo-shopped version and find six things that are scientifically wrong/untenable:

    Answers:
    1.The hurricane off the coast of Florida is spinning in the wrong direction. Hurricanes in the Northern Hemisphere (like all low pressure storms) go counterclockwise.

    2. The hurricane off of South America is almost on the equator, an impossibility for hurricanes.
    Notice that there are four hurricanes on the map simultaneously? But despite the climate scare-mongers, the frequency and strength of hurricanes have been decreasing over the past few years and are currently at a 30-year low.

    3. All of the sea ice in the Arctic Ocean is removed, but snow cover over Canada and Alaska remains.

    4. The middle part of the Greenland ice sheet, the thickest part, is gone. Ice remains around the edges, where it’s the thinnest.

    5. Cuba is totally underwater, which would require a sea level rise of over 6,000 feet. This would mean the U.S. all the way up to Denver should be submerged as well.

    6. Panama is underwater too, another impossibility given its height above sea level in comparison to other land masses not submerged.

    I Hate the Media says:
    For Panama to disappear beneath the waves would require sea levels to rise more than 11,400 feet (slightly more than the 14-inches anticipated by the IPCC report).

    That sea level rise would leave only five towns in the entire world above water – Namache Bazaar, Nepal at 11,482 feet; Potosi, Bolivia at 13,420 feet; El Alto, Bolivia at 13,615 feet, Lhasa Tibet at 12,200 feet; and La Rinoconada, Peru at 16,728 feet. Denver, the Mile High City, would be a mile under water.

    If, say, a middle school science student turned in this picture of the Earth to describe what the planet would look like due to man-made global warming climate change, he would get a freakin’ F for FAIL.

    Too bad that picture is the cover of Al Gore’s new book, “Our Choice.”
    And to think, just a couple weeks ago Newsweek called the Goracle the “thinking man’s thinking man.” Which makes both Gore and Newsweek pathetic.

    Earlier this week, eleven crack “journalists” at the Associated Press combed Sarah Palin’s new book, only to discover six lies in 432 pages. Here we have on Al Gore’s new book six lies on the cover alone. Hey, AP, fact-check this!

    • MethodsitMin
    • Posted November 23, 2009 at 1:12 pm
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    Sack-Kenny under another handle? Yawn. Kenny is the only person here who has such an obession with denigrating Steve’s military career. Trolls are so transparent.

    • Steve T
    • Posted November 23, 2009 at 2:21 pm
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    MethodsitMin,
    It gets folks like us wondering, what is in the mental make-up of these ‘from under the bridge’ boys who have nothing better to do than visit a creative, political blog site like DL and spew their freak-iod nonsense and obscenities at folks who discuss and engage in the subject of Zacks cartoon-?

    Not one of these little ‘insects’ offer any political perspective, nor can they engage in substantive disagreement.
    Sincerely, do you know of any conservative-minded person who regularly visits liberal-left blog sites, and spits and flings their ire at those folks-?

    One telling characteristic of these bugs – they have nothing seated in them, no core beliefs, no foundational values from which they can form any reasonable thought or ideas.

    Sincerely, the low-life culture of Levi Johnson, and the Columbine killers, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold seem eerily very much like the infestation of Ken-Kenny-Sack-Chris-Thomas-wootabega-Methhead… and their likes.
    Harris & Klebold, we now know, were without the slightest moral development, were in fact, empty souls, looking for a twisted, evil adrenaline rush. Our parade of trolls seem to have nothing better to do than come here and see how provocative they can be.

    Instead of going into engineering, I should have been a ‘shrink’ – plenty of business out there-!

    • ikabod
    • Posted November 23, 2009 at 2:26 pm
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    “Earlier this week, eleven crack “journalists” at the Associated Press combed Sarah Palin’s new book, only to discover six lies in 432 pages. Here we have on Al Gore’s new book six lies on the cover alone. Hey, AP, fact-check this!” The MSM is not about fact-checking books that are from liberal authors. To them, Liberals mean well. Therefore fabrications, lies, miss-characterization of the truth are just part of the fiction. Just like Obama’s books. Was there a AP fact check of his book? What and hurt his chances of becoming president? Whataya a racist or something?

    Global warming has really nothing to do with environmental change. Rather its all about control. What better way to control what people do, then to guilt them into it. For me the issue is still unsure. Yet I am not prepared to go along with a global warming bill that will kill the private sector. Unless of course that is what Cap n Trades real purpose is.

    • Steve T
    • Posted November 23, 2009 at 2:32 pm
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    Ikabod-
    And – the lame-stream-media overlooked “fact checking” Obama’s book, Bill Clintons book, Hillarys book, too-!

    Just curious, about your chosen name – did you like the story/movie, Sleepy Hollow-?

    • ikabod
    • Posted November 23, 2009 at 2:35 pm
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    “Longfellow, don’t you know the U.S. is the only place on the planet that matters?” It matters to the folks that liver here! Yeah hair brained ideas that lowers our standard living with stupid economy killing bills. May have 1% in real change to the environment. Yet the impact on the economy is more damaging. Now the smartest President in History either doesn’t know the damage he is doing or is actually pushing these dumb-ass policies deliberately.

    • ikabod
    • Posted November 23, 2009 at 4:08 pm
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    “did you like the story/movie, Sleepy Hollow-?”
    Why yes I did! I figured its far better to have a name of a coward, then to have a nickname one had to live up to! I’m not aiming for nothing so I don’t miss! Could this be that the MSM is just lazy, biased? Or perhaps these journalist are a product of the liberal education policy of creative spelling, and reading? Or even the (what I consider damaging) “Whole language” craze of the early 1990’s. Where a critical, honest analyst of Obamas, and the Clintons books would have possibly hurt their self esteem?

    • ikabod
    • Posted November 23, 2009 at 4:26 pm
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    Whatya got against “restaurant-quality demonizing”? It better than your average “garden variety” demonizing. I like my demonizing with just a tad of garlic, glass of California Merlot and perhaps a nice Perdomo Estate Seleccio Vintage…. But that’s just me. However racially motivated accusations, or or mean spiritedness is always good on a piece of Triscut!

  22. IKABOD:

    Even at all that, these 11 crack team “investigators” fudged some of their claims. In one example Palin said she USUALLY was very frugal–and indeed she was–with taxpayer money in her visits around the state of Alaska and elsewhere.

    The handy-dandy fact checkers scoured the earth to find ONE instance of a more “elite” and expense hotel she and her daughter stayed in to counteract this claim of “usually.”

    I’d say one might say the MSM has “garden variety” crap for investigative journalism. As with Media Matters and the “fact checkers” who do the bidding of RealClimate, I guess this is what passes for liberal muster these days on those “facts of the mattar.”

    However, even given the poor quality of this kind of sniping, one would think that even this lousy level of investigative input might be applied to, say, the ACORN scammers, the tax cheats in Team Obama, the 37 or so unelected and unaccountable Czars and Czarinas surrounding this manchild, and full history of unvetted radicalism of both himself and his numerous wacko/nutcase mentors. The same media that fabricated quotes about Rush Limbaugh wanting to kill black children with hunger pains but missed the Little Miss Mao story on cranks like Anita Dunn.

    Palin may or may not eventually go into higher office, but it’s interesting that we have all this tireless SlipStream media devotion and entire teams of lawyers descending on Wasilla and elsewhere to slam one person when a person with far less executive level experience actually DID make to the White House.

    Of course, what’s really going on here is that libs love to dish it out, and now caught in the unusual and thus very uncomfortable position of having to eat the plates as well as the fun of slingting them around the kitchen and getting the slop hurled back, they cry foul that even in power all is not right with the world they’re remaking.

    • ikabod
    • Posted November 23, 2009 at 5:23 pm
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    Sack-
    I know ironic huh?

    • Manuel Calavera
    • Posted November 23, 2009 at 9:10 pm
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    This is why we think you’re a troll Steve, because you don’t answer questions posed to you.

    • ikabod
    • Posted November 23, 2009 at 10:13 pm
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    Palin is a threat to the liberal base, their allies in the media and far left hugo chavez supporters that see her as a spokeswomen for this country’s most vile creation. Middle America. Yes the very ones that are frequently labeled by the left as racist, stupid, and hater’s.

  23. Not really Ikabod, she’s bassically a calculated gamble in a messy election which crumbled under media scrutany. The conservative persecution complex kicked in and mixed with desperation, ensures she’s being a psuado messiah (an interesing claim considering their gripes about Obama) amoungst right wing talking heads. Despite being not-very-important, talented or relavent and probably unelectable.

    ” a spokeswomen for this country’s most vile creation”

    I don’t think she’s a spokesperson for liberals, but then again I could be wrong

    “Yes the very ones that are frequently labeled by the left as racist, stupid, and hater’s.”

    Becouse here on diversity lane they do soooooo much to dispell this idea.

  24. Ha ha yes. Just because you guys are deathly afraid of Obama doesn’t mean that people are afraid of Palin. I mean, I am afraid of her becoming President. I am also afraid of, say, Jerry Van Dyke becoming president.

    • ikabod
    • Posted November 24, 2009 at 2:30 am
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    The Liberal base cannot believe a women can be strong, in charge, be a mother, have executive power, and still be a conservative. In the liberals eyes she has betrayed all women. She’s a Christian! She doesn’t fit their mold. For that she must pay, and pay dearly. More then that she must be hated. Furthermore she does not represent the “victim” class. I can agree with you Thomas, that election was messy. I too don’t believe she stands a chance in hell of become POTUS. The damage is done.

    Chris E.
    Well please tell me what hell is Obama doing that should lead to a conclusion that is opposite of our concerns (fears)? Carter was an idiot and thank god he was. Obama is intelligent, and for this we all will pay. Obama was to bring the rest of the world liking us again. Yet the Germans have somehow figured out that his foreign policy is pretty messed up.

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,662822,00.html

    Shall we boycott Germany now? BMW? Mercedes? VW? Strudel!?

    Dumb-ass decision continue:
    Military court was just too “unconstitutional” for the people responsible for 9/11. No, lets take them to New York and give them trail that allows them to spew their hatred for what they did. Perhaps the confessions will be thrown out? Hell they where “tortured”! I would not be surprised if these piles are acquitted, and end up relocating to Detroit.
    So if they don’t hate us for our freedoms are they going to love us now for our Federal Court system?

    I used to think idiots where dangerous. Now I can see smart people that should no better, can potentially do more damage than 10 Carters.

    • Steve T
    • Posted November 24, 2009 at 8:44 am
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    Hey Sack,
    THEY DO “…hate us for our freedoms”.

    Your unfamiliarity about those Islamic extremists, the mortal enemies of this Republic is glaringly obvious.

    If you can put aside your ‘rebel without a clue’ mindset, you will easily discover how fanatical these Islamic fundamentalists are.

    Put your thoughts on any & all of the women in your immediate family, to include girlfriend, wife, nieces,…etc.
    The lives they lead, the usual day-to-day freedoms they enjoy, in fact, they and YOU take for granted, would be seen by these twisted fanatics as an excuse to barbarically torture them, gang-rape them, then, they would be stoned to death [do you know how brutal stoning to death is-?].

    You say this is a “…meme”-?

    I sincerely invite you to go over to those provinces where these Islamic groups are, and exercise the free & shameless speech you have posited here at DL.

    While their rusty, jagged blade is slicing through the first half-inch of the flesh on your neck, and your bowels and bladder are losing control, I hope you are considering the experience a “…meme”.

    If I get the video of them slowing sawing your head off, I suspect Zack will let me post it here… I hope it is in high-definition, for your fellow ‘under the bridge’ friends to enjoy.

    I promise, I will pay for your one-way travel expenses-!!!

    • Manuel Calavera
    • Posted November 24, 2009 at 10:05 am
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    Perhaps Steve needs to look at his grammar books again :smug:. As I see nowhere in any book that it says sentences should end with a dash/hyphen, before the punctuation. Nor should a paragraph have one or two sentences.

    • Big Money
    • Posted November 24, 2009 at 11:26 am
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    “Military court was just too “unconstitutional” for the people responsible for 9/11.”

    Oh that pesky constitution.

    • thesecolorsdontrun
    • Posted November 24, 2009 at 4:06 pm
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    Yes Steve T, ever since the inception of this country the enemy has allways been those muslims. Our ties with Saudi-Arabia do not, nor ever have existed. We fought guys with turbans in the revolutionary war, the war of 1812, The Sp-Am War, and the civil war. This is surely not a much more recent development of the modern era. Not at all.

    • thesecolorsdontrun
    • Posted November 24, 2009 at 4:07 pm
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    The Shah of Iran was never our ally, and we never funded the Mujahdeen in afghanistan because that would be funding our MORTAL ENEMY FOR ALL TIME PRAISE REPUBLICAN JESUS.

    • Manuel Calavera
    • Posted November 25, 2009 at 6:50 am
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    We have always been at war with Eurasia.

    • ikabod
    • Posted November 25, 2009 at 9:22 am
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    The people responsible for the attacks on 9/11 are no more guaranteed the rights of the constitution than the Nazi’s during the Nuremberg trials. It was not a criminal act. It was an act of war! This has nothing to do with the rule of law, if it was then I suggest Oabama start telling our troops in Afghanistan start reading the enemy their Myranda rights before each battle 24/7. Criminal act would have been the purpose of gaining a financial out come. The attacks of 9/11 where nothing close to this. We tried the “limited”, retaliation to Islamic terror during the 90’s. That worked great didn’t it.

  25. I’m going to treat your response with the level of respect it’s due:

    “The Liberal base cannot believe a women can be strong, in charge, be a mother, have executive power, and still be a conservative.”

    What the Hell are you talking about?

    “In the liberals eyes she has betrayed all women.”

    What the Hell are you talking about?
    “She’s a Christian!”
    What the Hell are you talking about?

    “She doesn’t fit their mold.”

    Actually does fit a mould pretty well

    “For that she must pay, and pay dearly. More then that she must be hated.”

    It couldnt have anything to do with her being pretty much diametrically opposed to them on every level could it?

    “Furthermore she does not represent the “victim” class.”

    What the Hell are you talking about?

    Seriously if you want to argue against someone you have to know what they believe and think as opposed to what you like to think they believe and think in short, you have to know what the Hell you’re talking about.

    I’d explain to you why ‘Liberals’ and the media gave her such a tough time but if you don’t get it you probably don’t get why she was their in the first place.

    Trust me look for a conservative messiah elsewhere.

    • thesecolorsdontrun
    • Posted November 25, 2009 at 12:37 pm
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    Manny,
    Whilst we may have been at war with eurasia, there are much more people there than just muslims. It’s kinda sad that a dirty liberal like myself seems to know more of military history than he does.

    • thesecolorsdontrun
    • Posted November 25, 2009 at 1:03 pm
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    ack, He being Steve T.

    • ikabod
    • Posted November 25, 2009 at 1:34 pm
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    Women in power is fundamental in feminism. Sarah, is married, is Christian, against abortion, and is conservative. You can’t be a feminist and be conservative. Sorry not going to happen. Unless she had aborted Trig she had no chance from liberals of getting support of any kind. I most certainly do know what the hell I’m talking about.
    As far as feminist are concerned ANY woman that attains power whether in the private sector or government owes their accomplishment to them.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122143727571134335.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries

    “I too don’t believe she stands a chance in hell of become POTUS.” I have never made the claim that she was the next great hope of conservatives, nor a “messiah”. The conservative messiah has yet to be found.

  26. “Women in power is fundamental in feminism”

    not really, women being on equal footing as men is pretty much it-that naturally includes the right to power.

    “is married”

    Nobody cares=trust me

    “is Christian,”

    As a large chunks of the people who disagree with you are crhstians=Nobody cares.

    “against abortion, and is conservative”

    Well REALLY against abortion and REALLY Conservative to the point where she couldnt be called conservative….. more radically regressive.

    “Unless she had aborted Trig she had no chance from liberals of getting support of any kind. ”

    You don’t seem to be aware that the belief in the right to choose an abortion is an automatic expectation to have one, which is very odd considering how much you hate liberals. Consider yourself enlightened and this point irrelivant.

    “You can’t be a feminist and be conservative”

    I’ll ingnore the syntax assumption of what you’re actually refering to is “You can’t be a feminist and be 21st century American republican party popular culture conservative” and state hypothetically you probably could. Having strong views on Womens rights doesnt neccisarily ensure that you believe in say….centralised healthcare. But hey we’ve already built 2 abritrary and irrelivant camps so why puncture a great narration?

    “I most certainly do know what the hell I’m talking about.”

    I could spend hours puncturing holes in the assumptions of your views and the bad presumtions (the christian one springs to mind for example) but I can’t be bothered and will simply repeat my point from earlier: no you really do not-this is pretty much why I don’t respect you guys

    I don’t really give a shit about an opinion collumn which also is talking out its ass.

    “I have never made the claim that she was the next great hope of conservatives, nor a “messiah”.”

    Perhaps but why do you think that she’s constantly beefed up by conservative media soarces. They’re jerking off about something that isnt their.

    • ikabod
    • Posted November 28, 2009 at 4:53 am
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    I can see I’m wasting my time. You can spout on all you want about the true love and fairness the liberals have given Palin. Its not there it never was there. She’s hated by you people. I got it. Yet she doesn’t stand a chance at winning an election on the national scale. So until she starts supporting abortion rights, clings to her Christianity, and stays married. She is most likely not going to get any support from liberals or the national organization of women.

    • Sack
    • Posted November 28, 2009 at 5:31 am
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    How dare a group of people not support someone whose views differ greatly from those of that group.

    I see conservatives are still bitter that their cheap tactic for conning Hillary supporters into voting Republican failed. Palin and Hillary both have vaginae, so Palin is clearly a good substitute for Clinton, right?

    • MethodistMin
    • Posted November 28, 2009 at 12:24 pm
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    Any liberal men who claim to be supportive of women who call Palin “Caribou Barbie” or “a slutty stewardess”, who wear “Palin is a c_t” tee shirts, who makes comments (as one political blogger did) about “wishing they could put their hand over her mouth while they f_k her on an American flag while their wives read the Constitution to her” have lost all credibility with me as far as being friends to women. They are not. They approve of those women who hold the same views they do. If not, they feel free to humiliate and degarde women who are not liberals.

    • MethodistMin
    • Posted November 28, 2009 at 12:28 pm
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    And this former liberal, a psychotherapist, has IMO, it right on target about the treatment of Palin:

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/11/the_wilding_of_sarah_palin.html

    • MethodistMin
    • Posted November 28, 2009 at 12:38 pm
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    Unless Sack is a woman, I find bringing the comment about vaginas into the pdiscussion objectionable, but then I think Sack is a troll and an obvious one at that, so I guess I shouldn’t be surprised.

    The fact of the matter is that there are women who choose to disaffiliate from the Democratic party after the sexist treatment of Clinton and the even more egregious treatment of Palin by the supposeedly liberal and tolerant left. They may not have voted for Palin, but I can say that for me who did vote Republican for the first time in my life (based both on what I knew about Obama and because I laothed the Democratic sexism) that I will likely never consider myself a Democrat again and certainly never liberal. By their sexism and misogyny they made the term “liberal” distasteful to me. I am not alone. Congratulations, Democrats. :^( Bravo, team Obama. :^(

    • Sack
    • Posted November 28, 2009 at 12:46 pm
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    You do realize that the McCain camp picked Palin solely because they felt her gender would attract Hillary voters, right? For a group of people who scream about Obama getting support only because he is black, you seem awful fast to demand that Palin be supported on the grounds that she is a woman.

    Anyway, Meth has been repeating the same tired lines for at least a month now, but then I think Meth is an idiot and an obvious one at that, so I guess I shouldn’t be surprised.

    • MethodistMin
    • Posted November 28, 2009 at 1:50 pm
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    Isn’t that interesting that you are part of the inner circle discussion of why Palin was picked. I guess that would make you a… Republican. ;^)

    I am not part of a group of people; I am one poster and I have NEVER said anything about people voting for Obama simnply because he was black. Never.

    What you call my “tired lines” are in part an explanation of why I went from being a 30 year voting Democrat to voting Republican. It’s a shame you can’t listen to the reasons, because I’m not the only life long Democratic women the party lost in 2008, and if Palin gets the nomination in 2012 and the horrendous musogyny and sexism continues the party will lose even more. Too bad too that you think I’m an idiot merely for not agreeing with your POV. How shallow.

    Your last sentence just added you to the “Don’t nor read or respond” list I have. Happy trolling to you.

    Goodbye.

    • MethodistMin
    • Posted November 28, 2009 at 2:02 pm
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    Just one more thing-

    I don’t think they chose Palin just because she was a woman. There were other Republican women who could have been chosen, I think they chose her because of the woman she is-a conservative, charismatic Governor Of Alaska, and I really don’t think it’s such a bad thing that she was chosen in part because she is a woman. Parties, surprisingly, like to get votes and do what they can to work towards that. I think Obama was chosen in part because he was African American and I think that was a calculated gesture too. It doesn’t upset me because that’s part of politics.

  27. “I can see I’m wasting my time.”

    Possibly, arguing an untenable arguement usually is.

    “You can spout on all you want about the true love and fairness the liberals have given Palin. ”

    Once again (ahem)-what the hell are you talking about? She was an asshole from day one and it went down hill from their and was treated as such

    “Its not there it never was there. She’s hated by you people.”

    Correct

    ” So until she starts supporting abortion rights, clings to her Christianity, and stays married”

    I’m assuming you made a sentance structure their so I’m going to go on the presumtion that you think liberals hate her becouse she’s a chick who’s a pro-lifer social conservative christian. While you occasionally sratch on why a ‘libaral’ may dislike palin, you don’t really get it. So once again I’ll help you.

    why would anyone dislike Palin? well we’ll ignore her lack of media savy and poster child for what I’d like to call the ‘stupid right’ but applying right-wing would infer political coherance so I’ll simply call them:talk radio republicans. I’ll also ignore the epic amounts of bullshit surounding the woman and cut to crux of why a ‘liberal’ may dislike her:

    Her social political and economic policies are diametrically opposed to not only most progressive groups but also most woman groups: that’s pretty much it

    oh and stop going on her about her religious beliefs. The majority of the country is Christian including Liberals. the issue is her politics and the way she either prostitutes her beliefs for gain or desires to enforce her religios views.

    • Sack
    • Posted November 28, 2009 at 4:50 pm
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    “Your last sentence just added you to the “Don’t nor read or respond” list I have. Happy trolling to you. ”

    And yet you responded to me TWICE in a row. Looks like my idiot remark was spot on. Keep on applying affirmative action to Palin, Morondistmin.

    • Manuel Calavera
    • Posted November 28, 2009 at 7:38 pm
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    I’ll say it again here, like I said at comics.com. I support Palin/Beck 2012. I’d love to see them make themselves bigger laughingstocks. And I can’t wait to see Palin called a RINO, Beck already has been.

    • ikabod
    • Posted November 29, 2009 at 12:12 am
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    “Her social political and economic policies are diametrically opposed to not only most progressive groups but also most woman groups: that’s pretty much it” I got it. Yet the policies are diametrically opposed to how the country needs to be managed. Let me know how things have worked out so far with the your “progressive” president. Remember he beat the Old man and Ass-hole back in November. So, where’s the magic?

  28. ” I got it. Yet the policies are diametrically opposed to how the country needs to be managed”

    Well you’ve changed the subject rather than admit you’re wrong but I digress. What policy in particular to you think will sink the united states? I mean it’s not as though he’s got you commited to expensive and costly (far more so than his health care reforms but I digress) wars with little strategic gain? perhaps he’s pulled some horrific economic fumbles? or maybe his belligerance in foreign policy has alienated key economic allies?

    Perhaps you should state a more neutral premise such as “diametrically opposed to how I think the country needs to be managed”. That way absolute certainty doesnt crumble under casual inspection. But then again your master plan if I recall was cut taxes.

    “Let me know how things have worked out so far with the your “progressive” president.”

    I don’t really consider him a progressive since you mention it. he’s mostly a center-right politician with very good publicity and natural charisma. It’s a statement about how far gone the Right is in the united states that Barak Obama is considered an ultra liberal.

    ” the Old man and Ass-hole back in November”

    The situation would be pretty much the same about this time-most likely Mcain (who I quite respect) would have bailed the banks out becouse that’s totally what capitalism is about and ignored healthcare whilst pushing for increased aggresion with Iran. In about 2/3 years the damage would really begin to sink in and that’s assuming the president didnt die in office and his pet idiot take power. On the other hand Diversity lane would probably still be arguing against a strawman.

    “So, where’s the magic?”

    I’m guessing you’re struggling with me not meeting your expectation of what a ‘liberal’ should be. As before I suggest you go and actually find out what they believe and why.

    • ikabod
    • Posted November 30, 2009 at 2:32 am
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    “I’m guessing you’re struggling with me not meeting your expectation of what a ‘liberal’ should be.”

    Huh. I’m guessing then if we just let Obama have his way, everything’s going to be alright? He knows what he’s doing? He’ll take care of Iran in due time? Increasing the debt is cool with it being used for social entitlements? Somehow health care being free is better, because its free? Will it be run like a an all inclusive Medicare, Medicade, VA or Club Med (where everything’s included!)

    “would have bailed the banks out becouse that’s totally what capitalism is about”
    I would have let the banks fail. If they where badly managed during the “good times” they don’t stand a chance during the bad. That goes for GM as well. Yet he did have to take care of the UAW…

    You need to defend this guy more then just guessing what my assumptions are.

  29. “Huh. I’m guessing then if we just let Obama have his way, everything’s going to be alright? He knows what he’s doing?”

    Probably. His moves and actions do indicate a fairly coherent economic policy even if it’s not one you like very much

    “He’ll take care of Iran in due time?”

    I do not recall that Iran really required taking care of. Outside of the Imams puppet president’s incessant dick waving they’re neither particularly important nor relevant.

    “Somehow health care being free is better”

    If you have a plan for free health care please spill the beans in the meantime I’ll side with Obama’s more fiscally prudent reforms.

    “Will it be run like a an all inclusive Medicare, Medicade, VA or Club Med (where everything’s included!)”

    Badly? I’m unsure but I’m sure you’ll give it a fair chance.

    “I would have let the banks fail”

    Perhaps but it was still a loose/loose situation. Ironically this whole clusterfuck probably could have been avoided with more supervision of the banks but we all know how the republicans feel about big government…well economic supervision anyway, you can be draconic as fuck in regards to law and ethics.

    “You need to defend this guy more then just guessing what my assumptions are.”

    You’re assumptions drip from every post you make, but please continue I’m actually quite enjoying taking a scalpel to right wing talking points…perhaps you’d like to talk about death panels next?

    Plus you’ve suddenly gone very silent on the actual topic of our discussion…possibly because you realized how trite a premise it was but more likely you’ll bring it up to someone else in future as though this never happened.

    • ikabod
    • Posted November 30, 2009 at 1:11 pm
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    “Probably. His moves and actions do indicate a fairly coherent economic policy even if it’s not one you like very much.”
    The national debt is skyrocketing. Bad when Bush did it (it was) OK now that Barry is having a shopping spree? Some one is going to have to pay it back. So fuck the next couple of generations? Oh but they’ll have free Health care! Please inform me of the country that taxed themselves into prosperity.

    Good god! “I do not recall that Iran really required taking care of. Outside of the Imams puppet president’s incessant dick waving they’re neither particularly important nor relevant.”

    Yeah Iran is a non issue. Goddamn, you people scare the shit out of me with your soft power no-results based foreign policy. Or is this some hug a-tyrant paradigm you guys are experimenting with? Well the Imams puppet will soon have nuclear weapons. Will he be relevant then? When he, Oh sorry… the Imams use the weapon? Then what? Build a memorial? We got free health care dammit!

    “If you have a plan for free health care please spill the beans in the meantime I’ll side with Obama’s more fiscally prudent reforms.” I’m going to wait and see how superior to all other forms of Health care this will be. If it sucks I sure do expect not a peep of complaints from the left.

    As far as the “original” topic is concerned I think its more than run its course. You hate her because she’s a conservative Woman, I don’t.

  30. Once again you’re re-treading on stuff we’ve already discussed. Once again I’ll let you re-read my reply and simply pick through the section wee you say something new.

    “Oh but they’ll have free Health care!”

    Well genrally speaking the current healthcare reforms will be cheaper than the current way of running things but hey why interupt a good(bullshit) narration of noble fiscal right vs the spend crazy left?

    “Please inform me of the country that taxed themselves into prosperity.”

    An odd statement about something vital to the running of a nation (hardly suprising that the first person I heard this from was that junkie Rush), you may as well ask me to find an body which ate its way to prosperity. Better still a counter challange: find me a successful state which didnt tax its citizens?

    “you people scare the shit out of me with your soft power no-results based foreign policy. ”
    I wouldnt call it soft I’m quite behind the application of violence when neccisary. My own views on foreign policy as best described as machiavellian but I digress. What exactly do you want having just blanky stated that we can’t afford to do shit and considering the united states is already commited to multiple highly expensive military projects and is diplomatically weak due its alienation of allies?

    “Well the Imams puppet will soon have nuclear weapons”

    Ah that would be like how Iraq had them yes? no don’t be absurd, Iran neither has the resoarces nor the tech to produce effective nukes

    “We got free health care dammit!”

    You seem rather fixated on the Health care reforms even if you don’t appear to know what they’ll involve…would you mind discussing another issue with me on anything. I’m a little curious to see how you’d manage to link the two…say how about gay marrige?

    “I’m going to wait and see how superior to all other forms of Health care this will be.”

    Don’t lie: it undermines your arguement.

    “As far as the “original” topic is concerned I think its more than run its course.”

    Yes, becouse you ‘lost’…badly.

    “You hate her because she’s a conservative Woman, ”

    Well I don’t hate her more Schadenfreude than anything and she’s not a conservative in that a number of her ideas are very radical. But I do think she’s a bullshitter and an asshole. I have nothing but respect for convervatives and republicans (Churchill, Disreali,Roosevelt
    Eisenhower ) who are good leaders…she isnt one.

    • ikabod
    • Posted December 1, 2009 at 2:59 pm
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    “I have nothing but respect for convervatives and republicans (Churchill, Disreali,Roosevelt
    Eisenhower )” Perhaps by todays standards they would be considered conservatives, I will agree with you.

    “Iran neither has the resoarces nor the tech to produce effective nukes” Well if Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has told you that, I guess we gotta believe him. Stand down everyone!

    “Ah that would be like how Iraq had them yes?” Thank you Israel, and it was chemical and biological weapons we were looking for. Not that the technology and means of producing such weapons was eliminated by the inspectors. You cannot be this naive.

    “I’m going to wait and see how superior to all other forms of Health care this will be.”
    Yeah, sarcasm sucks don’t it.

  31. :chuckles quietly…again:

    “Well if Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has told you that, I guess we gotta believe him. Stand down everyone! ”
    Personally I’d go with an appraisal of Irans economy, resoarces and tech that unless they plan on buying one illigally on the black market they do not has the ability to produce on much less contruct a long range missle capable of firing one.

    “and it was chemical and biological weapons we were looking for”

    The most we’ve found so far are declaring “two bunkers with filled and unfilled chemical weapons munitions, some precursors, as well as five former chemical weapons production facilities” according to OPCW Director General Rogelio Pfirter, considering how long its been and details about what can be found are still hazy but going on what we know so far the whole thing is bullshit and you loose credability by buying into it.

    “You cannot be this naive.”
    on the contrary Iran would probably luuuuurve nukes I just don’t they have what it takes to make them

    although I’d like to ask you again considering that you’re admitted the US economy is fucked and we’re commited upon multiple fronts and cannot really rely on our allies to fight wars of aggresion…what do you want done about them?

    “Yeah, sarcasm sucks don’t it?”

    Only when it’s the last fig leaf on a man who can’t justify anything he believes. I’ll tell you what I’ll throw you an easy one which I actually agree with you on: what right does the US have to decide who gets what in terms of power assuming other nations have a right to soverenty within their own borders?

    • ikabod
    • Posted December 2, 2009 at 11:33 am
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    “Personally I’d go with an appraisal of Irans economy, resoarces and tech”. Well they are getting help from the Russians. You know there are lot of scientist that have a lot of time on their hands. I’m not going to get into proving the technical ability of Iran getting the ability to build a nuclear device. If the help is there, the status of Irans “tech” is irrelevant. Iran is not a nation of sheep herding nomads. They have had help, I guess until something is exploded over Israel, we needn’t worry about it.

    “and cannot really rely on our allies to fight wars of aggresion…what do you want done about them?” Nothing we can do. Until we pull out of Iraq, pull out of Afghanistan.
    Or:
    Another UN security resolution.
    Blockade. (probably “illegal” so why bother)
    Stop buying their oil.
    Have Obama write another letter.
    attack the nuclear weapons sites.

    Nothing we do will satisfy the non-violent means of diplomacy. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is counting on this and the left to keep the possibility of an attack non-existent.

    And they do have the ability to deliver these weapons.

    http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/iran/missile/index.html

    these

    Other nations can have a peaceful coexistence with the united states. But your right we DONT have the right to tell Iran to stop building what ever they want.


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